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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 28
Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor at Fairfax Assembly of God joins Pastor Phllip Lee to discuss the question, “Which is the greater crisis we face today – homosexuality or the Authority of Scripture?”

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A Christ-Like Response to Homosexuality with Pete Baker pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 27
Can homosexuals change is a fair and important question. Does Scripture provide evidence change is possible? How is change defined and how long does it take? Who are we to believe, God, or the culture around us?

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Can a Homosexual Change? – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Speaking as one once ensnared and bound by the incompleteness and derailment of homosexuality, try and try as I have to get my head, heart, and spirit fully around the above statement, I cannot.

I cannot because it does not make sense.

If, within the statement, one is saying, “I am a Christian that struggles with the temptation of same-sex attraction.” This makes sense and I understand. However, for a faithful follower of Christ Jesus to pronounce identity by first using ‘gay’ (based on one’s sexual orientation) then follow-up with ‘Christian’ – clearly, what is happening is a lack of conviction, practice, and concern of how one is being shaped and led by a wrong and deceiving spirit.

Go with me here for a moment. If I were an individual self-identifying as a ‘gay Christian,’ I would at some point in all honesty and truth need to truly face myself and ask…”Which am I more? Am I more gay than a Christian?”

One of the earmarks of liberal Christianity regarding homosexuality, is the rejection of the infallibility of God’s Word and the quest, if not determination, to find Scriptural acceptance (a canon) within the canon (Scripture) to validate, accept, and endorse homosexual practice. Hence, enter pro-gay theology.

In all fairness, my considerable concern for many men and women today struggling, combating the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction is…How are they to follow the Holy Spirit when much of what God has to say regarding homosexual practice is being dismissed, disregarded and withheld? How are they to hear His voice when His words are being silenced?

Is it possible far too much of the Church is now relying on (feelings) which are very, very often completely disconnected from what the Bible says?

I have shared before it was Christians that held me to the truth and authority of Scripture throughout my discipleship. Admittedly, it was not always an easy road to travel. However, I understood they were holding me accountable because they truly had my best interest at heart. Thank God they never once lowered the bar on the truth of Scripture.

A very frightening reality hit me this morning. If God’s truth had been withheld from me, what would I have been left with?

My walk, your walk with God is not about personal sensibilities. The gay Christian identity does not exist in the Kingdom of God. There is a much, much better way.

It isn’t new. It isn’t even really profound. It is the willingness and posture to let Scripture have its unhindered way. Most assuredly, humility (how we approach and receive the truth of God’s Word), is the ingredient necessary for transformation enabling you and I to give way to God’s Word, even when it is unpopular.

“O God, make me know your ways. Teach me your paths. Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation, and for you I wait all the day long.” (Psalm 25:4-5)

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 26
Pastor Robert Kuyper, Founder of the Transforming Congregations movement within the United Methodist Church, first Executive Board President of His Way Out Ministries, and author of Crisis in Ministry (A Wesleyan Response to the Gay Rights Movement), a book in which he captures the Church’s dilemma regarding the issue of homosexuality, is Pastor Phillip Lee’s guest on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast. Pastor Kuyper offers a strong challenge to the Church to wake up and take its rightful place as ambassadors for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and specifically, to the world of sexual sinners.

Listen online or download the podcast.

The Crisis in Ministry with Robert Kuyper – Download MP3 –

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Caribbean Ministry

His Way Out Ministries remains heavily networked with and working in ministry partnership with the Caribbean destinations of Jamaica, Guyana, and Trinidad and Tobago.

We care deeply about men and women with the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction and it is our collective goal and privilege to share with The Caribbean the transforming power of God’s love and forgiveness without compromising the truth. We offer the message that there is freedom from homosexuality through the unconditional love and grace of Jesus Christ.

His Way Out Ministries is pleased to share with you we now have a target date of November 1, 2017 to open an office in Port of Spain, the capital of the two-island nation of Trinidad and Tobago.

Our Caribbean Office will be on the church campus of St. Augustine Evangelical Bible Church/Christ-Centered Counseling Centre.

Over the years, St. Augustine Evangelical Bible Church, has graciously provided His Way Out Ministries many ministry opportunities to share God’s truth regarding homosexuality with their congregation and, as a result, we have enjoyed a solid ministry relationship for quite some time.

Our office location will be in so many ways the ideal location placing us almost right in the middle between the University of the West Indies and InterSchool/InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. While we remain in planning-mode for our new office, many of the necessary and important details are coming together very well and we are excited about this new door of ministry our Lord has opened to us and enabled. On September 19, 2017, Pastor Phillip Lee will be returning to Trinidad and Tobago to fine-tune office details and to meet with various pastors and Christian organizations that have expressed their desire to partner with His Way Out Ministries in reaching Trinidad and Tobago and the Caribbean for Christ Jesus.

His Way Out Ministries, Trinidad and Tobago
Christ-Centered Counseling Centre

Dedicated to raising awareness, educating, encouraging and equipping The Body of Christ throughout the Caribbean to minister to those who struggle with same-sex attraction.

  • Is based upon our concern regarding the issue of homosexuality and we seek to minister to those within the Church and Islands throughout the Caribbean, with the truth of Scripture, the power of testimony and the dialog of issues.
  • Is committed to effectively and compassionately communicating God’s heart concerning sexual brokenness and wholeness, while disputing the unchangeable nature of sexual orientation.
  • Affirms that all persons need the ministry of the Church in their struggle for sexual wholeness, and we commit ourselves to that end. Our position rests on the Authority of Scripture versus the interpretations of some of the social sciences.
  • All ministry services are centered on the biblical foundations of compassion, integrity, and dependence on God.
  • Believes through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the healing power of the Holy Spirit, often mediated by extended and competent ministry, prayer, and a caring Christian community, the sexually broken can experience transformation towards wholeness.

All of us at His Way Out Ministries truly covet your prayers. You make it possible for His Way Out Ministries to reach around the world with a message of hope in Christ Jesus.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday September 2, 2017
For ‘Ladies’ Only

For ‘Ladies’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

For ‘Ladies’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Saturday September 23, 2017
Friends and Family

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-sex attraction.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 25
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee continue their discussion and focus on questions like, How can I say I love people while allowing them to compromise in a life of sexual sin, unchallenged? How does the Church take stances on social and moral issues without driving people away? Today, any challenge offered regarding homosexual practice is often met with accusations of “intolerance”.

Listen online or download the podcast.

The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 24
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank and honest discussion regarding a number of important questions many are asking today. Is the true crisis the Church faces today about homosexuality or is it the Authority of Scripture? Does Scripture in any way validate homosexual practice? Why are so many churches electing to remain silent on the topic of homosexuality?

Listen online or download the podcast.

The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 23
Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries, shares in detail and at length about inner healing and the rewards of developing an intimate relationship with God the Father. Mike’s books, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here comprise a solid mini-library for your personal healing journey.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Inner Healing with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 22
Returning guest, Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries and author of Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here, discusses the meaning of true repentance as well as what is involved, what is required by the person to experience and move into true deliverance from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Deliverance with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Believing in Him and You!
Does failure compel you away from God, or compel you to cast yourself on His grace and His mercy? To be sure, we are all on a journey of obedience and along the way we experience God’s mighty healing hand. Sometimes our path is marked by mountain-top ecstasy of being in His presence, but sometimes it is marked by our surrender and our will to obey Him when all spiritual passion has disappeared.

There is no doubt, no question, our humanity will always bear, to some degree or another, the marks of this fallen age in which we live.

But what exactly does that mean? Could it possibly mean that…
…the habitual liar may still slip at times?
…the temptation of same-sex attraction may surface from time to time?
…the former addict or alcoholic many need on-going accountability in his or her area of temptation and weakness?
…the emotionally, physically, sexually, or mentally abused may still feel threatened in certain environments or situations?

None of the above mentioned, and I could certainly continue on and on, minimizes God’s power or His sovereignty. It simply places each one of us in a process, a journey of becoming whole in Christ Jesus.

That said, it is imperative as a Christian that we maintain the right goal which is always Christ and in turn Christ-likeness. Without question, the goal of sanctification is to be conformed and transformed into the image of Christ and not to be some close-ended definition of wholeness.

Please, please find comfort in knowing that becoming whole in Jesus is a process. And because it is a process – it doesn’t happen over night.

Growing whole takes time. A lifetime in fact. Relax and enjoy the journey.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday August 5, 2017
For ‘Wives’ Only

It is our nature to isolate when we are struggling with the various trials in life. But we do not have to walk through them alone. Open the door to healing by sharing your experiences, strengths, and hope and by becoming willing to accept God’s grace in solving life’s problems.

For ‘Wives’ Only, facilitated by Ginny Mitchell, is women supporting, praying, loving and caring for one another by being real and not hiding their feelings. For ‘Wives’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive biblical guidance, prayer, and encouragement for your healing journey.

“You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.” (Philippians 4:13)

For ‘Wives’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Saturday August 26, 2017
Friends and Family

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting that is available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-gender attraction.

Facilitated by Craig and Karen Fulwyler, Friends and Family assists parents, friends, co-workers, a fellow brother and sister in Christ, a neighbor, face the complexity of emotions, actions and questions that will undoubtedly surface when learning of an individual’s homosexuality. Please see the article Friends and Family Care Group for additional information.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

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