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Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Three; Episodes 1 through 13 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 13 Episodes.

Homosexuality and the Church with Roger Spradlin pt1, Audio Podcast S03E01
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss the topic “Homosexuality and the Church”. Is the challenge, the crisis, the Church faces today really about homosexuality? Christians should never use God’s Word as a club, but neither should we water down or withhold His Word. Why are so many so adamant about challenging “change is possible for the homosexual?”

Homosexuality and the Church with Roger Spradlin pt2, Audio Podcast S03E02
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church, joins Pastor Phillip Lee for part 2 of their discussion on “Homosexuality and the Church”. Too many youth today are learning more about homoexuality from the Internet, Movies, and TV rather than in Church, causing many to be misled. How should a Christian, a church, reach out in love to a homosexual or the gay community to effectively represent Christ?

Christian and Single with Will Winn, Audio Podcast S03E03
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss Christianity and the single believer. What does it mean to be Christian and single? What are the holy boundary lines defined by God for all single men and women to live within? Is it ok for a Christian to remain single?

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt1, Audio Podcast S03E04
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

Stephen and I discuss, Does the Bible say change is possible? Why are some still believing the “born that way” notion/theory? Is transformation instantaneous or a process? Why is it so important to have a Christian support network?

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt2, Audio Podcast S03E05
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

In part 2 of our discussion, Stephen and I discuss, Why this book, and why now? Does God condemn a person for being same-sex attracted? What does it mean to live a life free from labels?

Stephen offers great insight and truth in “understanding homosexuality.”

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt1, Audio Podcast S03E06
What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt2, Audio Podcast S03E07
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt1, Audio Podcast S03E08
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries. Carol shares her testimony of how homosexuality impacted her marriage and family. We also discuss how parents begin to pick up the pieces after learning of a child’s same-sex attraction. Critically important for families to understand the difference between “acceptance and approval.”

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt2, Audio Podcast S03E09
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries for part 2 of their discussion on Homosexuality and the Family. What does the Bible say about homosexual practice? Do men and women choose to be gay? What about the “I am a gay Christian” statement? Why do some still question if change is possible? Is the ultimate goal for the homosexual, heterosexuality?

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt1, Audio Podcast S03E10
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

A church is a family, with all of its diversity, and no two churches are exactly the same. Today, when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, congregations appear to be all over the map. Gay affirming, fearful, gay bashing, and complacent churches, as well as churches that are still sold out to Christ’s way. Why do you suppose the Church has become so diverse on this matter?

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt2, Audio Podcast S03E11
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

We must respond with unconditional love to individuals dealing with same-sex attraction, while at the same time, unwavering in our loyalty to God’s Word. It is imperative the Church affirm and defend the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt1, Audio Podcast S03E12
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Today, the Christian community has many different approaches to handling homosexuality. We have gay bashing churches, gay affirming churches, and churches that have taken a vow of silence on the entire matter. How can a person evaluate whether their church is handling the topic appropriately?

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt2, Audio Podcast S03E13
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Is it Scriptural to label homosexuality the worst of all sins? How should a church be led to effectively love homosexuals? Can a Christian still struggling with same-sex attraction, still profess to being a Christian? Is it ok to be gay since Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality? How should a Christian respond when accuse of being homophobic? God’s truth remains absolute truth.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

During my 25 years of ex-gay ministry, I have talked and met with many men and women dealing with same-gender feelings and attractions. Without exception, each man and each woman experiences and battles many different influences which undeniably heightens the pull of temptation into homosexuality.

More than not, the individual’s first step into homosexual practice involves a breaking down of one’s resistance. That said, I do believe each and every one of us has an inbuilt barrier to any sinful activity. This is our conscience which is the moral law of God Himself written on our hearts. (Romans 1:19) This spiritual barrier often keeps a person from gay or lesbian sex, even when they begin to experience same-gender desires. However, the enemy of our soul has his ways and schemes of gradually eroding away this wall of protection.

Without a doubt, one way this has and continues to occur throughout American society is by the constant and continuous exposure to the gay subculture. When our attention is constantly being focused on the homosexual issue through magazines, news broadcasts, newspapers, and specials on television, a sin which initially might have created intense repugnance has the potential of evolving to becoming less and less objectionable and ultimately attractive. The initial repulsion can turn to apathy, which has the capability of birthing curiosity. When curiosity makes its home in one’s mind, God’s wall of protection is beginning to crumble.

The lure of the unknown regarding homosexuality has been enough in some cases for the individual to begin wondering, I wonder what homosexuality is really like? This question has the capability of developing into the visualizing of sexual acts which is often aided by the readily available wealth of gay pornography. Once again, when anyone continues to ponder and daydream about same-gender activities, the erosion of one’s wall of resistance crumbles.

As an individual that has traveled this road, I vividly recall that my novice and innocent approach to thinking homosexual practice as being exciting and ultimately fulfilling was terribly naïve and I did not consider the realities of what homosexual practice actually enables. The costs of sexual involvement are extreme and no one can anticipate the emotional and spiritual baggage that you drag along with you when you come away from or break away from an immoral relationship or being sexually active and once again embrace abstinence.

Frankly, today, I don’t know if it is at all possible to avoid full, complete sexual stimulation given our present culture – unless of course we hide at home with a bag over our heads. Today sexual stimulation is around every corner – television, movies, magazines and newspapers. Therefore, I do believe an important question to ponder is, is it a sin to have homosexual or lesbian feelings? Does God condemn an individual for being attracted to other members of the same sex?

No, being tempted is not the same as sin. God does not condemn anyone based on our feelings. All men and women experience sexual feelings. All of us experience sexual attractions every day. Married people may be attracted to individuals other than their spouse. Are these feelings sinful?

The Bible distinguishes carefully between such feelings and sin. Inappropriate feelings, in biblical terminology, fit the category of “temptation.” And temptations are not sin. Being sexually attracted to another person is not the same as “committing adultery in your heart”. (Matthew 5:28) You have to act on the temptation, either in your mind or body, in order for it to become sin. Hands-down, most men and women struggling with same-gender attraction tend to forget this huge and critically important distinction between temptation and sin. They walk around underneath a black cloud of continual condemnation and thinking that God is disapproving of them because of their same-gender attractions.

All Christians deal with inappropriate sexual feelings and attractions. Frankly, I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that we are all sexually broken given this fallen world in which we live and the fact that we all combat a sinful nature. Therefore, those that are working toward overcoming homosexuality are not unique; they do not belong in a different subclass than the rest of the Church. For everyone, sexual struggles are part of being human.

Within the Church here in America, I have become increasingly concerned that many have all but dismissed the idea that the devil is a being that most certainly can influence our lives. Scripture clearly and abundantly teaches that Satan is a fallen angel of great power, with direct access to our lives. I believe it is a huge mistake by ignoring his existence especially when Scripture clearly identifies him as a tempter “who leads the whole world astray”. (1 Thessalonians 3:5, Revelation 12:9) I strongly encourage anyone combating an issue of same-gender attraction to study the passage in Ephesians 6:10-18 which specifically lists the parts of our spiritual armor and challenges everyone to make specific applications with regard to combating and struggling with homosexual thoughts and temptations.

Looking back, I distinctly recall how my attitude and mindset regarding homosexuality was very tentative at first. However, little by little, thoughts and activities regarding homosexual practice as “ok” become more and more reinforced which ultimately enabled me to embrace the gay identity. Now, I understand that I succumbed and fell prey to an unbiblical way of thinking about myself. For Christian men and women, their identity must center around what the Word of God says about them and their relationship with Jesus Christ. Very soon after I surrendered my life to Christ in October of 1985, God clearly showed me that my temptations do not determine my identity. Unfortunately, this is a very, very common and dangerous error especially for Christians who are experiencing same-gender attractions. Our Christian mindset develops slowly but consistently over a long period of time. The Bible refers to this process as “renewing the mind” (Romans 12:2), which I believe is one of the most important principles of attaining significant freedom from both gay and lesbian thoughts and feelings.

Today, I remain alarmed that celibacy or sexual virginity continues to be ridiculed and scorned in American society. Rather than celibacy or sexual virginity being viewed and upheld as an admirable trait, it is too often viewed as old fashioned and even as an embarrassment. Sexual purity is an undeniable, wonderful gift from God. Please do not allow anyone to ever try and convince you that it’s not worth much. Ultimately, when you and I are disobedient or rebellious to the holy boundary lines clearly defined for us within God’s Word, we do not get to choose the consequences that may come our way as a result of our being disobedient. Truly, “obedience is much better than sacrifice”. (1 Samuel 15:22)

From All of Us at His Way Out Ministries

To each of you who continually bless us by your encouragement, ministry participation, monthly financial support, offerings and prayers, we remain truly grateful!

Pastor Phillip Lee
His Way Out Ministries
www.hiswayout.com

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Two; Episodes 13 through 29 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 17 Episodes.

Affirming Truth Rather Than Culture with Roger Spradlin, Audio Podcast S02E13
Affirming Truth Rather Than Culture with Roger Spradlin pt2, Audio Podcast S02E14
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor of Valley Baptist Church joins Pastor Phillip Lee for this episode of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast where the conversation focuses on, “How can a faithful follower of Christ Jesus affirm homosexual practice, or anything for that matter, that God never affirms?”

The Church and Popular Culture with Tem Mattox pt1, Audio Podcast S02E15
The Church and Popular Culture with Tem Mattox pt2, Audio Podcast S02E16
Pastor Tem Mattox, Senior Pastor of Northside Community Church here in Bakersfield joins Pastor Phillip Lee in a discussion on the topic, “When the culture moves, should the church move with it?”

Roger Spradlin and Phillip Lee Reverse Roles pt1, Audio Podcast S02E17
Roger Spradlin and Phillip Lee Reverse Roles pt2, Audio Podcast S02E18
Roles get reversed when Pastor Roger Spradlin interviews Pastor Phillip Lee about saying goodbye to “gay” and surrendering his life to Christ Jesus 31 years ago.

Pastor Spradlin asked important and pointed questions such as: Is there a difference between the terms “gay” and “homosexual”? Did you choose to be gay? How instrumental was the Church in your process of transformation? Were you ever bullied? Do you think a Christian should attend a same-sex marriage ceremony? Am I correct that you personally witnessed the AIDS crisis unfold in 1980? What was it, what happened that ultimately caused you to say goodbye to “gay” and surrender to Christ? Is freedom from same-sex attraction instantaneous when surrendering to Christ or is it a process? Is the ultimate goal for the same-sex attracted person heterosexuality? Is the true identity of a Christian found in their sexuality or in Christ? And, much more.

These are the kind of conversations that need to take place throughout the Body of Christ on a regular basis to effectively and compassionately communicate God’s heart concerning sexual brokenness and wholeness in Christ Jesus.

Keeping the Right Focus, Audio Podcast S02E19
Join Pastor Phillip Lee for Season 2, Podcast 19, on the topic, “When God gives a vision of truth, His truth, it is never a question of what He will do, but of what we will do.”

Don’t Walk On Eggshells! Audio Podcast S02E20
Keep trying, loving, praying, and looking for ways to reach gay-identified neighbors, friends, and loved ones. In doing so, regardless how they may respond, you will be living out God’s heart. We are called to sacrificial love, to love in the same way Christ loves us.

Homosexuality? Who Cares? Audio Podcast S02E21
There is no doubt many Christians have been strongly influenced by the continuous parade of positive media representations of homosexuality. It does “seem” that people today increasingly approve of homosexuality as a valid life option for friends and family members. But is that truly the case?

Deliverance with Mike Evans, Audio Podcast S02E22
Returning guest, Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries and author of Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here, discusses the meaning of true repentance as well as what is involved, what is required by the person to experience and move into true deliverance from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior.

Inner Healing with Mike Evans, Audio Podcast S02E23
Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries, shares in detail and at length about inner healing and the rewards of developing an intimate relationship with God the Father. Mike’s books, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here comprise a solid mini-library for your personal healing journey.

The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt1, Audio Podcast S02E24
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank and honest discussion regarding a number of important questions many are asking today. Is the true crisis the Church faces today about homosexuality or is it the Authority of Scripture? Does Scripture in any way validate homosexual practice? Why are so many churches electing to remain silent on the topic of homosexuality?

The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt2, Audio Podcast S02E25
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee continue their discussion and focus on questions like, How can I say I love people while allowing them to compromise in a life of sexual sin, unchallenged? How does the Church take stances on social and moral issues without driving people away? Today, any challenge offered regarding homosexual practice is often met with accusations of “intolerance”.

The Crisis in Ministry with Robert Kuyper, Audio Podcast S02E26
Pastor Robert Kuyper, Founder of the Transforming Congregations movement within the United Methodist Church, first Executive Board President of His Way Out Ministries, and author of Crisis in Ministry (A Wesleyan Response to the Gay Rights Movement), a book in which he captures the Church’s dilemma regarding the issue of homosexuality, is Pastor Phillip Lee’s guest on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast. Pastor Kuyper offers a strong challenge to the Church to wake up and take its rightful place as ambassadors for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and specifically, to the world of sexual sinners.

Can a Homosexual Change? Audio Podcast S02E27
Can homosexuals change is a fair and important question. Does Scripture provide evidence change is possible? How is change defined and how long does it take? Who are we to believe, God, or the culture around us?

A Christ-Like Response to Homosexuality with Pete Baker pt1, Audio Podcast S02E28
Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor at Fairfax Assembly of God joins Pastor Phllip Lee to discuss the question, “Which is the greater crisis we face today – homosexuality or the Authority of Scripture?”

A Christ-Like Response to Homosexuality with Pete Baker pt2, Audio Podcast S02E29
Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor at Fairfax Assembly of God joins Pastor Phllip Lee to discuss the question, “Are we moving in a direction that only one belief regarding homosexuality will be accepted in America?”

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

Is it more important to politically defeat homosexuals than it is to see them won into the Kingdom of God?

“Biblical authority is not tyranny: We read, reflect – and reconcile ourselves with Scripture; but we never simply remake it or reject it – if we affirm its authority.” Professor Marion L. Soards

The relentless social pressure that exists to protect “gay” from discrimination has resulted in a tragically dangerous code.

While I personally deplore any and all forms of “gay-bashing” and other hate crimes against homosexuals, the extreme medical risks and the fundamental psychological problems often associated with homosexual practice, cannot be undermined or dismissed.

In America, very little is being offered which promotes the truth about homosexuality and the general public has slowly but certainly bought into the many untruths with regard to the topic of homosexuality. This did not happen by accident.

In December 1973, by a narrow vote, homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder (DSM) by the American Psychiatric Association. The vote was not based on scientific research but on political pressure from homosexual activists. So much for an individual’s right of self-determination to address their unwanted homosexual feelings and behavior.

In a nutshell, the problem is the politicization of psychiatry, psychology, and most definitely, the Bible, to the extent that the freedom to investigate and treat homosexuality has been and continues to be under serious attack.

During my 17 years as ‘gay,’ I personally witnessed far too many lives devastated and some taking their own lives over the celebration of ‘gay.’ In each and every case the ruin and carnage were not brought about by the individual trying to resolve their same-gender attraction.

Today, in America and around the world, in the name of tolerance, diversity, and equality, often the truth has been and is being suppressed regarding homosexuality. We can and we must reverse the current trend through education and understanding.

Yes, because of very real discrimination, homosexual activists created a brilliant strategic plan to gain across-the-board acceptance. Yet their plan was and is based upon a flawed paradigm to persuade people they were born with same-gender attraction and they cannot change.

This strategy has worked. But the biggest losers just may be homosexual men and women who may get everything they think they want, but will they be denied what they truly need?

Upholding Biblical sexual morality does not equal bigotry, homophobia, or hate.

Pastor Phillip Lee
His Way Out Ministries
www.hiswayout.com

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Two; Episodes 1 through 12 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 12 Episodes.

Homosexuality and the Church with Don Clark, Audio Podcast S02E01
Friend, ministry partner and well-known personality in our community, Don Clark, joins me on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast for a frank, open and honest conversation about “Homosexuality and the Church.” I am so grateful to Don for coming on the broadcast and discussing such an important issue of our time.

Homosexuality and Revisionists, Audio Podcast S02E02
The so-called “enlightened understanding” of homosexuality that some now claim, discards traditional Christian teaching and literally has compromised the Church’s integrity by misrepresenting Christianity. The crisis we face today is the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

Homosexuality and the Church with Steven Yeary, Audio Podcast S02E03
Special Guest: Pastor Steven Yeary, Senior Pastor of Family Community Fellowship (formerly Brimhall Road Assembly of God). Is the Church being intolerant by holding to the truth and authority of Scripture regarding homosexuality? Is it possible to be a Christian yet struggle with same-sex attraction? What does change look like? Join Pastor Steven Yeary and Pastor Phillip Lee for a frank, open and honest discussion about homosexuality with emphasis on its impact upon the Church.

Homosexuality and the Church with Brandon Holthaus pt1, Audio Podcast S02E04
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank, open and honest discussion which focuses on concern with regard to the direction a segment of the Church appears to be heading regarding homosexual practice.

Homosexuality and the Church with Brandon Holthaus pt2, Audio Podcast S02E05
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Please join Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee as they continue their discussion which focuses on, “Can a man or woman be a Christian and yet struggle with same-sex attraction?”

Knowing God with Mike Evans, Audio Podcast S02E06
Mike Evans, founder of Wholeness Ministries and author of Why Not Waste Time With God?, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, and Before You Get Here: Baggage To Drop On Your Way To Heaven, joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a very special His Way Out Ministries broadcast. Mike shares in great detail the importance of, “knowing God” and, “victory begins with the Name of Jesus on our lips.”

A Pastors Role with Pete Baker pt1, Audio Podcast S02E07
Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor of Fairfax Assembly of God joins Pastor Phillip Lee on the KERI 1410AM broadcast for a frank discussion which primarily focuses on, “A pastor’s role in helping someone with the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction,” and concern for “the silent-mode some are adopting regarding homosexual practice is being received as consent.”

A Pastors Role with Pete Baker pt2, Audio Podcast S02E08
Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor of Fairfax Assembly of God and Pastor Phillip Lee continue their discussion regarding the Church and homosexuality with emphasis on “the Church holds the only answer there is to the crisis of homosexuality.”

Challenging pro-gay apologists with Jeff Victor, Audio Podcast S02E09
Dr. Jeff Victor, Founder and President of Summit Bible College, joins Pastor Phillip Lee on the His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss, “Challenging pro-gay apologists view of homosexual practice as allowed by God and acceptable in Christian theology.”

Balancing Truth and Grace with Landon Schott pt1, Audio Podcast S02E10
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality is Pastor Phillip Lee’s special guest on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast. Landon shares how the Holy Spirit led him to tackle the subject of homosexuality in written form, the importance of a balance of both “truth and grace” regarding same-sex attracted men and women, and are there any Scriptures that approve of or validate homosexual practice?

Restored Hope Network with Anne Paulk, Audio Podcast S02E11
Please join Pastor Phillip Lee with his special guest, Anne Paulk, Executive Director of Restored Hope Network on the His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast. Anne shares the very specialized ministry focus of Restored Hope Network, how Christ Jesus has dramatically touched and transformed her life, as well as details about the upcoming Restored Hope Network Conference in San Diego, CA offering a variety of workshops and speakers.

Defining Our Identity with Landon Schott pt2, Audio Podcast S02E12
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a second His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss: Does that which tempts us define our identity as Christians? Is the answer to homosexuality – heterosexuality, or holiness? and God’s view of same-sex marriage.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

Reporter: I’m really surprised you continue to believe and state that men and women with same-sex attraction can change.

Me: Why does that surprise you?

Reporter: Well, you know, with so many having debunked Reparative Therapy and Conversion Therapy.

Me: I must challenge your use of the word “debunked.” While some men and women may not have benefited from Reparative or Conversion Therapy, both offer some very good, sound and solid counsel for life. So, let’s not, as the saying goes, “Throw the baby out with the bath water.”

That said, during our 25-year history of His Way Out Ministries, we have never applied or utilized Reparative or Conversion Therapy. Being a Christian ministry, our calling, mandate and approach is taken directly from the command and calling of our Lord Jesus Christ to make disciples as found in Matthew 28:19.

You do understand Biblical Discipleship is by no means the same as Reparative or Conversion Therapy, don’t you?

Reporter: Huh?

Me: Reparative and/or Conversion Therapy is a psychological, clinical approach to resolving same-sex attraction. At His Way Out Ministries, our position and approach rests entirely upon the Authority of Scripture versus the interpretations of some of the social sciences and medicines. All His Way Out Ministries Services are centered on the Biblical foundations of compassion, integrity, and dependence on God.

Reporter: Oh, pray the gay away.

Me: I would caution you not to mock God or the power of prayer.

We believe through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the healing power of the Holy Spirit, often mediated by extended and competent ministry, prayer and a caring Christian community, the sexually broken can experience transformation and restoration towards wholeness.

And, by the way, it is our intent to extend compassionate Christian ministry for such persons while repudiating any non-loving, prejudicial attitudes that deny Christ’s unconditional love for all people and we declare such to be sin.

Reporter: Wow, I had no idea.

Me: Do you have a Bible?

Reporter: Yes.

Me: With regard to “change,” I recommend you read Mark 10:27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. “Change” is not just our personal opinion or feeling. God Himself says “change” is possible.

Reporter: Hmmmm

Me: So, if you still want to disagree or argue about “change” being possible, I suggest you take it up with God. Indeed, you can argue the point with Him but you won’t win.

Reporter: Thank you for your time.

Me: Anytime.

Pastor Phillip Lee

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season One Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 15 Episodes of Season One.

Homosexuality: A Crisis of Truth, Audio Podcast 01
Our pilot broadcast titled “Homosexuality: A Crisis of Truth” is offered here for your information and awareness.

The Myths of Homosexuality, Audio Podcast 02
Our second broadcast is titled “The Myths of Homosexuality” which covers questions like: Is homosexuality the worst of all sins; is homosexuality nothing more than just a choice; is homosexuality genetic; will marriage or dating fix the problem of same-sex attraction; and does tolerance mean approving of however anyone lives?

Silence Is Not An Option, Audio Podcast 03
Our third broadcast is titled “Silence Is Not An Option.” It is the clarity of the Holy Scriptures that should compel each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus to be a light where there is darkness, rather than hiding our witness from those who need it.

Youth and Homosexuality, Audio Podcast 04
Our fourth broadcast is titled “Youth and Homosexuality.” Christian youth often find themselves caught in the middle. Do they hold to the instructions of Scripture, church, and parents or do they reject their faith convictions as outdated and accept a new morality?

Homosexuality and the Reality of Change, Audio Podcast 05
Our fifth broadcast is titled “Homosexuality and the Reality of Change.” Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, God has, is, and will be delivering men and women from the snare of same-sex attraction.

Where Does the Journey to Wholeness Begin? Audio Podcast 06
Our sixth broadcast is titled “Where Does the Journey to Wholeness Begin?” The Christian’s journey to sexual wholeness begins when you put God on the throne instead of self.

Homosexuality vs The Authority of Scripture, Audio Podcast 07
Our seventh broadcast is titled “Homosexuality vs The Authority of Scripture.” It is only through an atmosphere of hunger, utter dependency and willingness to obey God’s Word that He imparts His will and thereby empowers us to be over-comers.

Homosexuality and the Church pt1, Audio Podcast 08
Our eighth broadcast is titled “Homosexuality and the Church pt1.” Caution: Confrontation is not enough to change a heart. The heart, having been hardened through deception or rebellion or both, has to be softened. And that is the work of God alone. Ours is to speak God’s truth, trusting Him to make it alive in our hearers.

Homosexuality and the Church pt2, Audio Podcast 09
Our ninth broadcast is titled “Homosexuality and the Church pt2.” Caution: Confrontation is not enough to change a heart. The heart, having been hardened through deception or rebellion or both, has to be softened. And that is the work of God alone. Ours is to speak God’s truth, trusting Him to make it alive in our hearers.

Why I Cannot Accept the ‘Gay Christian’ Identity, Audio Podcast 10
Our tenth broadcast is titled “Why I Cannot Accept the ‘Gay Christian’ Identity.” As Christians, our relationship with God through Christ is the cornerstone of our identity. Today, many are being told, “Accept yourself and follow your heart.” However, Jesus says, “Deny yourself and follow Me.”

Now, It’s Personal! Audio Podcast 11
Our eleventh broadcast is titled “Now, It’s Personal!” Christians with gay-identified loved ones are often eager to share the Good News of Christ, but they wonder how they can do so without sounding judgmental. When someone you love is homosexual, you quickly become aware of your inability to face life’s challenges apart from the grace of God.

Letting Go, Audio Podcast 12
Our twelfth broadcast is titled “Letting Go”. As Christians, a huge challenge is giving our loved one over to the Lord. If our prayers go something like, “God, do this,” or “God, don’t allow this,” our prayers need to become, “Lord, I ask you to bring my loved one to You in any way You choose.” Letting go goes against our very nature. However, if we want God to work in the situation, we must let Him do it His way.

How Do We Love Them Like Jesus? Audio Podcast 13
Our thirteenth broadcast is titled “How Do We Love Them Like Jesus?” The Gospel of John is clear in its description of Jesus. Jesus was 100% grace and 100% truth. He never erred on one side or the other. If we are truly to represent Christ’s heart and mind to the sexually broken, we must be equally balanced in those two critical areas as well.

Questions and Answers, Audio Podcast 14
Our fourteenth broadcast is titled “Questions and Answers”. For many, homosexuality isn’t just a social issue, it’s very personal. Our “Questions and Answers” broadcast offers straightforward, godly, and compassionate insights into the subject of homosexuality by providing a series of questions that many want to ask but are often reluctant to voice.

A Christian Response to Homosexuality, Audio Podcast 15
Our fifteenth broadcast is titled “A Christian Response to Homosexuality”. The faithful Christian Church is called by God to assert its Biblical position that sexuality is God’s good gift – sexually chaste relationships are both possible and desireable – and that sexual passion is designed to be expressed only between a man and a woman in the context of a life-time marriage.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

It is by no means a secret that American culture has and continues to drift far, far from standards of sexual morality found in the Bible.

Instead of sexual standards (holy boundary lines established by God Himself) we all are to live within, our culture has embraced and continues to promote other views all fundamentally opposed to Biblical sexual morality.

None of the alternatives to God’s standards regarding human sexuality can be right unless the Bible is completely wrong.

Therefore, if the Bible is right, then any and all alternatives must be wrong.

We have all heard the saying, “The darkest hour is just before dawn.”

We are there.

The Church in America is now fully immersed in moral darkness with other around-the-world churches fully engulfed in the same because they have and are now following our example.

To a large degree, the dismissing, the disregard of bringing both truth and grace together has enabled and continues to fuel the vacuum of sexual brokenness and decadence.

Many continue to be deceived under the guise, “it just isn’t proper to discuss such issues in or around the church.”

Today, the wave upon wave of new legislation doing its utmost to fully and completely muzzle the Church has already tragically caused many to “to seek middle ground hoping to ride out troubling waters and not be caught in the wash.” A religious travesty.

Some Christian leaders foresee an imminent revival. I hope they are right.

What to do?

Return to believing the Bible and trust its inerrancy from beginning to end.

If we allow that the Bible contains errors, then we remain just a couple of steps away from allowing anything and everything.

To allow, to excuse, to make room for any form of sin based on society’s acceptance and endorsement is to challenge, question and contest the Bible’s authority in every area of life.

Pastor Phillip Lee

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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Join us over the next two weeks for these encore presentations of the His Way Out Ministries Broadcast or click the links and listen now!

August 10, 2019
Deliverance with Mike Evans, Audio Podcast S02E22
Returning guest, Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries and author of Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here, discusses the meaning of true repentance as well as what is involved, what is required by the person to experience and move into true deliverance from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior.
August 17, 2019
Inner Healing with Mike Evans, Audio Podcast S02E23
Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries, shares in detail and at length about inner healing and the rewards of developing an intimate relationship with God the Father. Mike’s books, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here comprise a solid mini-library for your personal healing journey.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

For some of us, World AIDS Day is not just on December 1st of each year, but rather each and every day of the year.

The phone conversation occurred in 1995. Frank, my very best and only surviving friend of a group of 22 men, called from the hospital in San Francisco. Immediately, I knew something was very wrong.

In 1985, I moved from San Francisco back to Bakersfield, when in October of that year I surrendered my life to Christ and everything got turned upside-down – actually, right-side up.

There was nothing short of a miraculous desire to get to church and remain in church. The only thing I wanted to read was the Bible, attend classes and always be among Christian men and women, worship, and talk, talk, talk, talk, about Jesus.

Occasionally, I would talk to Frank on the phone to check on how life was going. However, our conversations became more and more strained because all I wanted to talk about was the Bible and what was going on at church. Frank, on the other hand, wanted to talk about the party last night and all that went on.

Drifting apart we most definitely were but continued to maintain a long-distance connection if only to hear one another’s voice for a few seconds. We had been close good friends for many years in San Francisco.

One afternoon I received a phone call at work from Frank. His voice was extremely weak but he still managed to say, “Phillip, we don’t understand what has happened to you but you have found something, and whatever it is, keep it up. Keep it up because you have found something. Do it for me and the others. Whatever you do don’t ever come back to this. Promise me, Philip.”

I promise, Frank.

Two days after my last phone conversation with Frank, his mother called to tell me he had passed away.

So, so many are gone, and they left much too soon.

I made a promise. A promise I intend to keep.

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