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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Pete Baker

Season 5, Episode 1
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God Church.

If Christians are to, as Peter encouraged in 2 Peter 3:18, “grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” then men and women must be taught about themselves (which includes our sexuality) and about Him.

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Disciple Making with Pete Baker
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 5
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt2
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 4
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt1
– Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 6, Episode 9
Special Guest: Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God, Bakersfield, CA.

To develop a Biblical view of sexual behavior is to affirm the Bible’s inerrancy and its authority over believers’ lives regardless of what society says because when God speaks a word on any topic He speaks the final word.

A Crisis in the Church with Pete Baker pt2
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Pastor Phillip Lee and Pastor Pete Baker

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 6, Episode 8
Special Guest: Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God, Bakersfield, CA.

The Church has, does, and probably will always face crises, from without or within. Therefore, it seems the question for us is not whether the Church faces a crisis, but rather, what types of crises does she face today, and is it correct to identify homosexuality as one of them?

A Crisis in the Church with Pete Baker pt1
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Pastor Phillip Lee and Pastor Pete Baker

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Wayne Blakely

Season 4, Episode 11
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Special Guest, Wayne Blakely, retired Co-Founder of Coming Out Ministries and Director of Know His Love Ministries as they continue the discussion around:

  • The importance of the Church walking alongside men and women desiring to address and overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.
  • Does the term “ex-gay” properly identify a man or woman who has left the gay identity and community?
  • How should we define “deliverance” from homosexuality and what does that look like?
  • Why is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 such an extremely important Scripture passage regarding homosexual practice?

Wayne shares “after 40 years of involvement in homosexuality and then surrendering his life to Christ,” what the process – the journey – has been like.

Listen online or download the podcast.

And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Where there’s confusion, there’s a crying need for clarity. And since few subjects are as fraught with confusion as the subject of homosexuality, Kym Duarte’s interview with Pastor Phillip Lee, “Such Were Some of You,” provides a welcome and much-needed voice. The podcast is a direct, easy-view and listen to the many subjects this issue often raises and will leave you better equipped to discuss same-sex behavior from a Biblical perspective.


Here’s the Youtube video link and video is also available on Rumble. Audio is available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and iHeart

Not always, but too often, “evolving and/or enlightened” points to or depicts an individual that views same-sex attracted men and women as born gay and while reaching out with compassion consciously dismisses and sacrifices holiness and righteousness in the process.

Today, within the Christian community, there is a great divide over homosexuality. While some in the Christian community state that homosexuality is an abomination and completely reject homosexual men and women, others believe homosexuality is wonderful and encourage homosexual behavior. Those encouraging homosexual practice have all but reinvented theology with their newfound theology being “pro-gay theology.”

For the most part, those revising the Scriptures to support homosexual practice have largely revised certain passages in light of “new and supposed” scientific evidence. Such as, ‘We now understand that people are born homosexual, and therefore we should endorse both homosexual behavior and relationships.’ Any attempt to state the Scriptures clearly communicate homosexual men and women are born that way is a blatant misuse and contradiction of Scripture.

Frankly, any endorsement or condemnation of homosexuality misses the mark entirely. Today, the Church remains in desperate need of clarifying its view of the individual struggling with same-gender attraction.

Today, while many church and denominational doctrines still teach and promote the biblical view of sexuality – marriage is meant for one man and one woman, and all sex outside of marriage is incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct – others are lowering the bar and conforming to a rapidly changing social trend of the acceptance of homosexuality and incorporating those beliefs into church doctrine. Revising theology on the topic of homosexuality has become fashionable citing ‘old ways are not applicable to new understandings; therefore, we must conform to a more modern view.

Many churches and denominations have thankfully repented of their harsh treatment of homosexuals but have also allowed the pendulum to swing to the opposite extreme – acceptance of both sin and sinner. How is it that today many just find it easier to go to the extreme left or right, rather than committing to finding a Biblical resolution to the crisis we face regarding homosexuality and related issues?

As a result, the divide that most definitely exists within the Church regarding homosexuality continues to grow. If you are not condemning then you are immediately put in the liberal camp. Very few churches have yet to realize there is another way. Neither condemnation nor acceptance of their sin is helpful to the person caught in the dilemma of same-gender attraction. The way out of the intense battle of homosexuality is often a long process that most definitely requires love, understanding, and discipleship from and by the Church.

Having once sat on the other side of the fence (Gay is good!), I can personally attest to the fact and reality the Church has treated homosexual persons abominably. In many, many respects, we the Church owe the gay community an enormous apology. That said, instead of repenting to the gay community, many churches and denominations are throwing the baby out with the bath water by revising theology without truly understanding what drives homosexual behavior.

Instead of taking advantage of becoming educated about same-gender attraction, they are succumbing to political pressure and giving in to social trends by endorsing homosexual behavior. The bottom line – everyone loses! While an abundance of homosexual men and women think they are finally getting what they want and deserve, will this tactic truly give them what they need?

While I have stated it before, I believe it needs repeating – The Church must not underestimate itself, it holds the only answer there is to this difficult issue. While we continue to say that God can do the impossible, do we still believe it?

Ultimately, by pursuing acceptance through revising theology on homosexuality, special legislation, and the relentless spin(s) on homosexuality by the media, men and women struggling with homosexuality and lesbianism will never, ever experience the love and peace they so desperately seek and deserve.

There is no doubt homosexual activists have devised a brilliant strategic plan to gain greater and greater acceptance. Much of the plan has been based upon and remains based upon ‘that they were born with same-gender attraction and change is not possible.’

Tragically, the strategy has been and is working.

We can and must reverse current trends regarding homosexuality through education and understanding. Indeed, acceptance is a vital issue to all people and we must be accepting of the wounded person, but we can never accept a theology or a way of life that flies in the face of God’s Word. Frankly, to lack compassion in this area is to be out of step with God.

We cannot and we must not allow any misguided desire to extend mercy to potentially cause us, The Church, to surrender our right to judge right from wrong. It is time to bring understanding and clarity to the issue of homosexuality. It is only through understanding and compassion that we can resolve the many controversies and confusion surrounding homosexuality. It is up to you and me to reach out in love realizing the homosexual issue will never be solved by politics, science, or the media.

Ultimately, revising theology to support or endorse homosexual behavior in any form or to any degree minimizes The Church as the last bastion of hope to the man or woman with unwanted same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Wayne Blakely

Season 4, Episode 10
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Special Guest, Wayne Blakely, retired Co-Founder of Coming Out Ministries and Director of Know His Love Ministries as they discuss:

  • The importance of the Church walking alongside men and women desiring to address and overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.
  • Does the term “ex-gay” properly identify a man or woman who has left the gay identity and community?
  • How should we define “deliverance” from homosexuality and what does that look like?
  • Why is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 such an extremely important Scripture passage regarding homosexual practice?

Wayne shares “after 40 years of involvement in homosexuality and then surrendering his life to Christ,” what the process – the journey – has been like.

Listen online or download the podcast.

And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Clearly, we were not, and in many respects still not, prepared for a fight we didn’t see coming.

Same-sex marriage, I-feel-and-therefore-I-am-entitled, men in girl’s bathrooms, the ongoing HIV/AIDS crisis, sexual addiction, pornography epidemic, gender confusion, sexual abuse, sexual identity confusion – why has it and why is it taking the larger Body of Christ to recognize, “Yes, we have a crisis!?”

The truth of the matter is the crisis has existed for decades with the downward spiral beginning with the acceptance of welcoming Jesus into our theology but not into our sexuality.

The crisis we have faced and the crisis we continue to face began there, so let’s stop blaming the liberals.

The winds of social change have and continue to blow aimlessly across America with a continued and relentless emphasis being placed upon “tolerance”, which is to be extended to everyone and anyone without limitation and to any and all kinds of sexual expression.

Pastor Phillip Lee

Is there nothing wrong with sex as long as it is consensual? And if there is something wrong, what is it? Does it really come down to a matter of personal taste, of private sentiment, and personal choice? Have we become a nation, a world that gains a sense of purpose and meaning primarily from our sexual desires and behavior?

Today, with many rejecting the Authority of Scripture in matters of faith, practice, and God’s holy boundary lines with regard to sexual expression, clearly what we are witnessing is that without the spiritual, sexuality will always rule and reign supreme.

On every hand, you find those “who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.” (Isaiah 5:20)

While there are those still attempting to make The Bible and Christianity socially and culturally relevant by rewriting and redefining biblical standards, I find tremendous comfort and strength in knowing God’s Word remains steadfast from generation to generation. Therefore, it remains crucial that each and every true faithful follower of Christ Jesus understand and embrace “thus saith the Lord” when it comes to God’s divine intent for human sexuality and other issues of our time.

Ultimately, God is not and will not be mocked, and there is no way anyone can legitimately rewrite or circumvent what God prohibits. Anyone choosing to practice any behavior (in any form or to any degree) that God has clearly defined as sin, cannot glorify God and will eventually downward spiral.

But the good news is “if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8) no matter how sinister, dark, rebellious, or disobedient our actions or heart may be.

How well I remember my first reading of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the Name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

What hope and comfort this passage offers. Clearly, according to God, anyone can be an overcomer and cleansed by the blood of Jesus. The Lord Jesus has not changed, nor will He ever alter His Word to accommodate man’s sinful desires, choices, and behaviors.

The reality of an across-the-board crisis of sexual and relational brokenness in the Church and America clearly points to an increasing inability, as the Church and society, to make healthy and moral distinctions. Even those who place a high premium on tolerance are obligated to recognize that matters of various sexual lifestyles now threaten the very values and institutions on which a solid and vital Church and society is built and sustained.

Unfortunately, not every Christian or American is willing or responsive enough to such an obligation. What’s more, they do not want anyone to hold them responsible. Those who have the self-respect to recognize that a person is not reducible to his or her desires or behavior truly exhibit a concern for social justice, personal responsibility, and a true love for this nation which seeks nothing higher than the welfare of people.

When a person’s actions, no matter how sincere, endanger the well-being of the Church and society, criticism and confrontation is both appropriate and necessary. Irresponsible sexual behavior is one of the most destructive realities for the Church and society.

How is it that in choosing to dismiss and disregard a moral compass, we are shocked by the state of our culture? Even so, shocked at what has happened and continues to spread in the Church?

Speaking as someone that was trapped for many years in a behavior and lifestyle, thinking there was no way out, I completely understand how anyone might have difficulty in believing in and receiving God’s forgiveness and restoration.

“But Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8) God remains rich in mercy and remains willing to deliver anyone. “He is forever our great Sin-bearer and the God who forgives.” (Psalm 99:8)

Jesus Christ is the alternative. He addresses the problem of “man limited to self” and provides the way through which we can find fulfillment in God and His people. By releasing us from the dictates of the past, Jesus frees us to live as new creatures.

God’s grace is sufficient because His strength is made perfect in our weakness. He provides a new identity – the center out of which a true sense of well-being can be achieved and enjoyed. As we draw close to Him we are enabled to reflect His image in our humanity more and more fully.

America is in need of huge and immediate change. I believe the Church should be out front by showing the way to bring it about. If things continue in this wonderful nation as they have, America and the Church will remain adrift without a moral compass.

There was a time when the Church set societal standards. We cannot and we must not apologize for moral and ethical “holy boundary lines” for living. All faithful followers of Christ Jesus are called to a higher standard.

It is absolutely essential we return to pinning our faith to, and subject “all” our thinking to and doing to, what we read in the Bible.

The 138th Psalm says, “I will praise your name for your loving kindness and your truth, for you have magnified your word about your name.”

Obviously, God thinks highly of His name – but He has magnified His Word even about His name – and, so should we all.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

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