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A popular error that continues to be made by many is the attempt to blur the lines with regard to Christian ethics by making “love” an omnipotent spiritual quality that has the power to validate anything that is done in its name. Under this particular line of thinking, one could justify any type of sexual relationship, including those considered unacceptable and incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct.

However, Jesus Himself tells us clearly, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, 15:10; Matthew 19:17) The unfortunate and misleading view that “love” in and of itself validates behavior, has led many to confuse compassion with acceptance of homosexuality.

In the face of a very long list of challenges regarding homosexual practice versus The Authority of Scripture, there are those quick to point out that Jesus Himself never addressed the issue. That said, the error of such logic can easily be demonstrated. Jesus did not directly condemn incest or bestiality. Can we, therefore, consider such practices to be acceptable? While Jesus did not directly talk about homosexual practice in any form or to any degree, He clearly affirmed the Genesis teaching on the matter of human sexuality. Jesus declared the marriage covenant between man and woman as an unalterable and sacred union. (Matthew 19:4-6)

Those attempting to revise Scripture and trump biblical injunctions against homosexual practice avoid one clear and central theme throughout Scripture – the symbolism of marriage itself. As Paul states in Ephesians 5:31-32, “For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church.” Homosexual acts, of any kind or to any degree, are undeniably incompatible with the marriage covenant.

Indeed, God is love – absolutely. But true love has boundaries that protect, guide, and show concern for its recipients. Ultimately, showing support for, and more importantly, standing upon The Authority of Scripture “for marriage between one man and one woman” is not intolerant. If so, then nature itself would be intolerant. Marriage was established by God Himself and as a result, cannot be redefined by each new generation.

These are perilous times for The Church with regard to homosexuality and the many related issues. Far too much of man’s wisdom now prevails with far too much of God’s wisdom and truth being rewritten and discarded. Today, thankfully, the majority of Christian churches in America continue to view homosexual practice as outside the realm of appropriate Christian conduct.

At His Way Out Ministries, we believe wholeheartedly in the infallibility and Authority of Scripture. His Way Out Ministries balances truth about homosexuality with the compassion of God for homosexual people as revealed through both His Word and His Son.

Nevertheless, the battles continue, as those endeavoring to promote homosexuality seem unwilling to concede any ground, at times defying biblical standards. Therefore, His Way Out Ministries remains dedicated to raising awareness, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to minister to those who struggle with homosexuality while being centered on the biblical foundations of compassion, integrity, and dependence on God.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 3, Episode 11
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

We must respond with unconditional love to individuals dealing with same-sex attraction, while at the same time, unwavering in our loyalty to God’s Word. It is imperative the Church affirm and defend the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Admittedly, I offer the following at the risk of being accused of “church bashing.” Therefore, let me state at the beginning, church bashing is never appropriate at any time or on any level. That said, there are some things that need to be voiced given the on-going crisis the Church faces today with regard to homosexuality and related issues.

To date, the pro-gay agenda has more than accomplished everything they have set out to accomplish. In many respects it is as though the gay community has come fully and completely out of the closet with the Church running into the closet and taking up comfortable residency.

The spiritual apathy within the Church regarding homosexuality and gay rights has all but taken on the appearance and posture of attempting to please everyone by traveling down the “middle of the road.” Today, many Christians have labeled themselves moderates and unwilling to take a stand on much of anything. We must examine our hearts with regard to the crisis of homosexuality in the Church. If we truly pride ourselves on not being fearful, not being antigay, and not being gay rights promoters, but rather middle-of-the-roaders, then I submit we must ask ourselves whether or not we have a passion for ministry based on a burning love for Jesus. I remain convinced if the Church remains all but apathetic and complacent regarding what seems to be a growing acceptance of homosexuality in the Church, we need to ask for a considerable fresh dose of God’s Spirit of conviction until our passion is reignited.

The Church is in great peril regarding homosexuality. Today, far too much of God’s wisdom has been pushed out and now man’s wisdom is doing it’s utmost to prevail. How is it the Church is no longer setting societal standards but is conforming more and more to the standards of popular culture?

As representatives, Ambassadors for Christ, do we not have a responsibility to preserve our freedoms and stand for Christ, witnessing to His grace and power? Those of us who have experienced Christ’s healing and transformation power in our lives have a responsibility to bring His power to a society, a world, a Church that has too often jumped to a conclusion that there is no cure for the ills that exist regarding same-gender attraction.

The churches to which Peter wrote were all but monuments of dedication to righteousness in a sea of paganism. Peter encouraged the churches with these words, “Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is revealed. If you are insulted because of the Name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you” (1 Peter 4:12-14).

All of us at His Way Out Ministries fully admit that combating what seems to be a growing acceptance of homosexuality is a considerable challenge. However, at His Way Out Ministries, we are unwavering in our belief that the reason God birthed His Church, the reason God has anointed His Church, and the reason God continues to build His Church, is that He intended His Church from the beginning to be the answer to life’s challenges which includes the issue of same-gender attraction.

Do we, the Church, still believe that God can do the impossible? The Church has become far too fractured regarding homosexuality with viewpoints differing widely. Far too often the person struggling with homosexuality is often completely confused about the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality. Those who struggle with homosexuality need to be loved, to be embraced in fellowship, to become known for whom they really are, not based on sexuality as much as on interests and personality.

What about the unreached homosexual population? I am confident the Church realizes the need to bring the Gospel to every tribe, tongue, language, and nation – to touch and reach every culture. What about gay culture?

There is no doubt we, the Church, have a lot to learn about bringing Jesus to the gays and lesbians who knock at the doors of our churches. We, the Church, must not underestimate ourselves. We, the Church, hold the only answer there is to the present and on-going crisis of homosexuality. God Himself desires to reach homosexual people. Church is where healing and wholeness occurs. When we, the Church, embrace the truth and totality of Scripture as it relates to homosexuality without compromise and show unconditional love without fail, Jesus Christ becomes apparent in our midst, and He empowers us to walk in His purposes.

We, the Church, must call fear, complacency and neglect exactly what it is – a barrier to accomplishing God’s will for our lives and for His Church. Paul reminded Timothy that he was not given a spirit of fear- neither are we (2 Timothy 1:7).

Is it possible if we, The Church, humble ourselves, weep and lament for our nation, the world regarding homosexuality, God may just yet intervene and restore decency to this crazy world? If we are unwilling to weep before God with regard to the many that have been ensnared by homosexuality, are we then truly fit to fight before men? I’m just asking. Maybe before God changes the minds of those embracing the “gay is good” notion, He will begin by changing our hearts.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 3, Episode 10
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

A church is a family, with all of its diversity, and no two churches are exactly the same. Today, when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, congregations appear to be all over the map. Gay affirming, fearful, gay bashing, and complacent churches, as well as churches that are still sold out to Christ’s way. Why do you suppose the Church has become so diverse on this matter?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Frankly, the question shows a certain misunderstanding and attempts once again to place those who struggle with same-gender attraction in a “category” all by themselves. Why should witnessing to gays be any different than witnessing to anyone else?

Ultimately, their homosexuality is not our main concern – or, at least, it should not be the primary concern. The state of their souls is. And if the Gospel is something they’re not interested in, we, The Church, needn’t feel obligated to argue over sexual matters with people who have no interest in such an argument. We see no reason why a Christian should automatically target a gay friend or co-worker as an object of reformation. “As much as possible,” Paul said, “live at peace with all men.” (Romans 12:18)

The Christian Church is perhaps the last organization that continues to promote values that forbid homosexual practice. Frankly, gay militants know that, and that makes The Church an important target. Heaven knows, there has been and there remain tactics specifically designed and intended to frighten The Church into either changing our views or never expressing them. If we allow ourselves to become so frightened, so intimidated, we will deserve the displeasure of God and the spiritual impotence we will surely find ourselves in.

However, history clearly shows that persecution has traditionally strengthened The Church. Maybe, just maybe, the onslaught of gay rights and gay militancy will unite The Church in ways unthinkable until now. Hmmm! What a concept.

The Church remains the Body of Christ. It has a message of redemption that can come from nowhere else. It is also, the last hope and refuge for the homosexual struggler. How do you witness to a gay-identified person? Remember, the goal of The Church is not to make “straights out of gays.” It is to preach the Gospel, and there’s no reason or exception to that rule.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 2, Episode 5
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Please join Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee as they continue their discussion which focuses on, “Can a man or woman be a Christian and yet struggle with same-sex attraction?”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Church with Brandon Holthaus pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

As an individual that spent many years in the considerable gay communities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, and Bakersfield, I remain concerned regarding the many inaccuracies being offered and reported endeavoring to promote the “gay is good” notion and the civil rights of gay men and women.

Clearly, the pro-gay agenda continues its attempts to change, influence, and persuade public opinion that the practice of homosexuality (in any form or to any degree) is all about “civil rights.” Nothing could be further from the truth.

Today, more than ever, many within gay communities around the world now view and classify the conservative Christian who holds to the traditional and scripturally correct view that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct” as being politically incorrect, intolerant, and homophobic. Ultimately, the crisis we face today is not about homosexuality or gay rights, but rather a “crisis of truth.” Undeniably, “truth is” and it matters greatly regarding homosexual practice and the promotion of gay civil rights.

“The gay agenda” is a phrase that implies a uniform social and political agenda shared by all homosexuals. It also implies there is something inherently wrong in having an agenda. Both points are untrue. There is great diversity among homosexuals, including political and social diversity. For that reason, no one agenda could be nor is it shared by all homosexuals, although it is fair to say there are some goals — same-sex marriage, acceptance of gays in the military, and so on — that are common to the political gay rights movement, even if and when they are not shared by all homosexual people. However, to promote the idea that the gay community is a united front in terms of gay rights or even the word “gay” to denote homosexual practice is inaccurate and an illusion. Around the world, there is great diversity within gay communities when it comes to the promotion of gay rights and homosexual practice.

Homosexuals don’t have a right to have no one disagree with them on the morality of homosexuality. Nor do they have the right to be free from “attitudinal discrimination” regarding their sexual orientation. But neither does anyone else have such a right.

Indeed, every citizen has a right to his or her own biases and prejudices, as long as they do not impinge upon the fundamental rights of another person or class. This is what it means to live in a society in which the freedoms of speech, religion (and belief), and privacy are guaranteed. Homosexuals have the right, as do others, to believe that homosexual behavior should be accepted as normal. They do not have the right to have everyone else agree with them.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 2, Episode 4
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank, open and honest discussion which focuses on concern with regard to the direction a segment of the Church appears to be heading regarding homosexual practice.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Church with Brandon Holthaus pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

In October of 1985, I did not become a Christian to leave homosexuality. I became a Christian because The Gospel made sense. Thankfully, my pastors and numerous brothers and sisters in Christ immediately instilled in me the command, calling, and responsibility of being a witness for Christ, …and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem…and to the ends of the earth. (Acts 1:8) Frankly, it hasn’t been a challenge  since …out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks (Luke 6:45). For me not to share freedom from homosexuality in Christ Jesus would be to deny Christ Himself.

Today, to be opposed to homosexuality has become the sin rather than homosexuality itself. Personally, I remain convinced that given everything that has transpired regarding homosexuality and the many related issues, and everything that continues to unfold given our present “crisis of truth,” we must refuse to be pressured by it all. We must not allow a minority or even a majority to dictate to us, The Church, what our standards will be. Our standards come from a higher authority.

Our present “crisis of truth” has not been about nor is it presently about homosexuality. The true crisis is about The Authority of Scripture and the Lordship of Christ. That said, I would be the first, having done so numerous times, to offer an apology to the gay community on behalf of the Body of Christ for the many ways The Church has mishandled the topic of homosexuality in not extending a redemptive hand. The Church must reach out in love and compassion with a message of forgiveness and the extension of grace to those who sin sexually, be it premarital, extramarital or homosexual activity. Those involved in sexual sin may be our brothers and sisters, our sons and our daughters. They need the help of The Church to know and follow God’s plan for bringing their sexuality under the Lordship of Christ.

Admittedly, these past several weeks have been more than intense. I am as human as the next. However, I am grateful the Holy Spirit has continued to show me just how much is at stake.

I will continue to hope and pray that we all will put the Word of God in its proper place. The 138th Psalm says, I will praise your name for your loving kindness and your truth, for you have magnified your word above your name. Obviously, God thinks highly of His name – but He has magnified His Word even above His name – and, so should we all.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 15
Special Guest: Ken Williams, Co-Founder of Equipped To Love and Co-Creative Director of Changed: Once Gay Stories.

Pastor Phillip Lee and Ken Williams tackle the question, “Can homosexuals really change?” Ken shares his testimony of how God impacted and transformed his life and led to the development of Equipped To Love and Changed: Once Gay Stories which are resources for individuals, family members, friends, and church leaders to better understand the complexites of same-sex attraction and encourage the Body of Christ to minister transformingly to thoe with unwanted same-sex attraction.

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Can Homosexuals Really Change with Ken Williams
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Ken Williams

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