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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 5
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt2
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Supreme Court decision or not, same-sex marriage remains an experiment. By redefining marriage, America has now fully embarked on what can only be labeled as a radical social experiment.

Ultimately, it is not about whether or not gays and lesbians are nice people or good citizens. Frankly, some are and some aren’t, just like heterosexuals. It is not about whether gays and lesbians can be good, nurturing, loving parents. It is not even about whether or not gays and lesbians should be treated with respect and dignity. Every person deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.

Today, a popular error that has been made and continues to be made by many, is the attempt to blur the lines with regard to Christian ethics making “love” an omnipotent spiritual quality that has the power to validate anything that is done in its name. Under this particular line of thinking, one could justify any type of relationship, including those considered unacceptable and incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct.

Is the perceived or even real presence of love the criterion for all relationships? Indeed, God is love – absolutely. But true love has boundaries that protect, guide, and show concern for its recipients. Ultimately, showing support for, and more importantly, standing upon The Authority of Scripture for marriage between one man and one woman is not intolerant. If so, then nature itself would be intolerant. Marriage was established by God Himself and as a result, cannot be redefined by each new generation.

Within the same-sex marriage experiment, lesbian mothers are saying that a father is irrelevant to parenting; homosexual fathers say that a mother is irrelevant to parenting. But God says both a mother and a father are relevant to parenting.

Is anyone truly serious in suggesting that two men can take the place of a mother’s love, or two women can equal a dad?

Today, especially in America, the words intolerant and discrimination are powerful words and often used to squash any opinion about moral behavior. In fact, not only is the demand today to keep our opinions to ourselves as to what people do, the equal demand is to affirm a long list of various lifestyles no matter how questionable or experimental.

Compassion, communication, and care must be exercised with regard to the same-sex marriage experiment. The enormous problem in American society is the frequent usage of our experience as a basis to interpret reality. Far too many think, I’m having this experience and enjoying it, so God Himself in particular and society as a whole had better jump on board, get used to it, and fit in around with what I’m doing.

Do we as a society really have the right to redefine marriage so it is elastic enough to include any grouping of adults?

In the face of what is arguably one of the most damaging social experiments to ever be attempted in this country, the notion of a family with a father, mother, and children, all living under the same roof, appears to be becoming a relic of a bygone era, at least in some quarters.

Gay marriage advocates will tell you that what children really need is two loving adults in their lives and that the sex of those adults doesn’t matter the assumption being that mothers and fathers are interchangeable and optional. Our ultimate preference should always be a family comprised of one father and one mother. We must not wrest children from the God-given format of family relationship without considering the possibilities of serious consequences.

Admittedly, a society, a compassionate society should always come to the aid of motherless and fatherless families. That said, a compassionate society should never, ever, intentionally create motherless and fatherless families. And that’s exactly what the experiment of same-sex marriage does.

Herein lies my ongoing concern with regard to homosexual practice.

With everything that has transpired and everything that continues to unfold, most Christians still learn more about homosexuality from movies, the internet, and television than they learn in their own congregations. Often, hanging in the balance, are many who struggle with same-sex attraction and remain torn by the ongoing rhetoric and debate while yearning to hear the redemptive truth of the Bible.

The majority of the Church remains uneducated and unprepared for the increase of brokenness that same-sex marriage will produce. By not offering a Biblical response to homosexuality and extending competent ministry to those with unwanted same-sex attraction, a message of there is no problem with that issue in the church, and consequently, there is no help to be had for the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Admittedly, I do not presume to have all the answers but there is much we know about the causes of same-sex attraction and we also know from Scripture that God has, is, and will continue to set men and women free from the snare of same-sex attraction which is clearly presented to us in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, …and this is what some of you were.

The promises of God are true and unfailingly fruit-bearing if we extend them.

We, The Church, must offer the right blend of information, practical steps, and Biblical guidelines regarding homosexuality so that each and every church can become a launchpad for vital ministry. God, in His mercy, is once again giving His people the opportunity to prepare to offer a Christ-like response to homosexuality.

We, The Church, must become much more relevant to a rapidly changing world.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 4
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt1
– Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Pastor Phillip Lee RHT05Homosexuality always seems to be a problem someone else will face until it comes knocking on your personal front door. When it does, the pain is excruciating…especially, for parents. How well I remember, to this day, when I told my mother I was homosexual. She hit the kitchen floor – literally.

It is an undeniable fact that grief changes us. We all come out of various tragedies as different people than we were before. We can come out stronger and hopefully much more understanding of the problems of others, or we can come out very cynical.

For Christian parents, in particular, wading through the tsunami of emotions that accompany the announcement of, “Mom, Dad, I’m gay!” are all but encircled in, “Where do we go from here?”

Mom, Dad, first and foremost remember that you are a child of God, and He has plans to “prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” He has promised to be with you always, no matter what kind of calamity or mud pit you find yourself in. That said, at first, it is hard to believe His promise(s).

Give yourself permission to wade through the myriad of real and genuine emotions. Today, with so much of society and the church being dysfunctional, it is often no small task working to be comfortable with owning our feelings. Tragically, some Christian parents with gay-identified children have been told, “Don’t cry,” or, “You shouldn’t feel that way.” Good grief. Where do we get this stuff?

It is in God’s waiting room that reality is faced with the knowledge that in some respects life just may never be quite the same again. The challenge? To look through the eyes of faith which enables the acceptance of the present reality and ultimately produces, “What now, Lord?” rather than, “Why?” In other words, hold on to God’s promises.

Indeed, loving a wayward child the way God loves them means loving them unconditionally. It also means accepting the truth and reality that only God can bring about the change in them you hope and pray to witness. It wasn’t until many years down the road of a new life in Christ Jesus that my mother shared with me…”You don’t know how many times in prayer I got in the enemy’s face and said ‘I don’t care what he has done or even how many times he has done it, in Jesus’ Name, devil, you can’t have him anymore!'” Watch out for the prayers of Mama.

Choose today to “act” rather than “react” to the unwanted circumstance that has come into your life. In doing so, God’s waiting room door will become open for you to share your problem, your legitimate concern, with a few who can encourage you spiritually. They may not know a lot about homosexuality. They may not have ever experienced this kind of thing themselves, but if they are compassionate people, they can give you a great deal of emotional support and nurturing.

Right now, you need and deserve all the help you can get. Your son or daughter will do his or her own thing until they come back to their senses. Letting go or praying a prayer of relinquishment for your child into Jesus’ Hands is the absolute hardest part. Remember the values you have built into your child. Love your child enough to put him or her fully in God’s hands while remembering you have a life also.

And, remember, while in God’s waiting room, because Jesus is there with you, life has any and all infinite possibilities.

The storms of life will undoubtedly do everything they possibly can to rip apart the hope we have in Christ Jesus. However, God’s amazing grace is always there for each and every one of us to draw upon when we remember to do so.

Today, we each have our own personalized waiting room. As we seek and wait upon Him with all our hearts, the circumstances in life just don’t have a chance. Ultimately, behind each circumstance, each question, and each answer stands the only One who can really help any of us. Truly, God only knows.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 3
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Pastor Joel speaks to the brokenness of same-sex attraction from a personal perspective having been raised in a Christian family environment and church. We also discuss: Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? Is change possible for the homosexual? If we disagree with homosexual practice does that make us hateful, a bigot, and homophobic?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Are Christians Exempt with Joel Splawn
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Line By Line: A Biblical Analysis of Guiding Families of LGBT+ Loved Ones by Wayne Blakely

In 2018 the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventist’s Commission on Human Sexuality published Guiding Families of LGBT+ Loved Ones. In July of 2018, it was handed out to 7,000 educators at the Adventist teachers convention in Chicago. Additionally, it was mailed to thousands of Adventist pastors and Adventist leaders.

The “guide” drew the attention of many students of scripture. What is God’s commission to you and me? Line by Line: A Biblical Analysis of Guiding Families of LGBT+ Loved Ones, seeks to redirect believers to Christ’s methods. Do you identify by your “feelings,” or by who Christ says you are? LGBT+ identified people hold the value and recognition of Christ, equal to every other human being. What are you willing to do for Jesus? Read how God’s hand of mercy has extended well beyond Adventism to all who will respond to His still small voice. Their testimonies will touch your hearts.

Line By Line: A Biblical Analysis of Guiding Families of LGBT+ Loved Ones is available from Know His Love Ministries at knowhislove.org/line-by-line.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Author Landon Schott

Season 2, Episode 12
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a second His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss: Does that which tempts us define our identity as Christians? Is the answer to homosexuality – heterosexuality, or holiness? and God’s view of same-sex marriage.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Defining Our Identity w Landon Schott pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Reclaim, Restore, and Rebuild: Hope for Families Impacted by Sexual Brokenness by Carol Wagstaff

When Christian families hear the announcement, “I’m gay,” from a loved one, they need immediate direction, reassurance, comfort, and godly wisdom. Nobody is more qualified to provide all four than Carol Wagstaff, who’s been serving families for decades.

If sexual brokenness – homosexuality or transgenderism – has touched your family, you’re on a painful and challenging journey. But you’re not alone.

Although Nehemiah lived more than two thousand years ago, he would have understood what you’re going through. He dealt with brokenness, weakness, and powerlessness in the face of his circumstances. His heart was broken over unfulfilled dreams. He is a role model for the challenges you face because he endured so much, yet he obeyed God and fulfilled God’s purposes for his life. His life reminds us that we often do not choose the circumstances God allows in our lives, but we can learn to make the best of them.

As you study portions of Nehemiah and the armor of God, you’ll learn to apply principles from these passages to help you reclaim and rebuild your relationship with a sexually broken family member or friend.

Reclaim, Restore, and Rebuild by Carol Wagstaff is available on Amazon.com.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Author Landon Schott

Season 2, Episode 12
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a second His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss: Does that which tempts us define our identity as Christians? Is the answer to homosexuality – heterosexuality, or holiness? and God’s view of same-sex marriage.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Defining Our Identity w Landon Schott pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

The Journey Out: How I Followed Jesus Away From Gay by Ken Williams

I didn’t think there was a way out.

Many churches and individuals now affirm the gay Christian life and cheer on LGBTQ Pride. But what if the LGBTQ life isn’t the party—for our neighbors, loved ones, or ourselves—that the world says it is? What if these valuable people are in pain? Pain that sex and Gay Pride won’t heal?

After a life of hopelessness and a suicidal season over his confused sexual identity and unwanted same-sex desires, Ken discovered that Jesus offered real inner healing and intimate relationship. Since then, Ken has worked tirelessly to help others experience the same hope and transformation he found.

In The Journey Out, Ken Williams will…

  • Demystify homosexuality and gender identity issues.
  • Share stories of real transformation of sexual identity.
  • Help you form an intimate connection with Jesus and journey toward wholeness and freedom.
  • Lead you to meet with God in key areas crucial to growth.
  • Offer wisdom for supporters: parents, family, friends, and pastors.

If you are longing to be deeply known and unconditionally loved, Jesus wants to fulfill those desires, regardless of your area of struggle. You will meet Him in the pages of The Journey Out and discover a new life filled with true hope and enduring joy!

Visit Ken Williams Ministries, The Journey Out for more information. The Journey Out is also available at Amazon.com.

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