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Coming up at “Straight Talk” on Saturday, February 11, 2023 beginning at 9:00am.

Each of us will at some point in our lives look upon a loved one and ask the question: “We are willing, Lord, but what can we do?”

“For it is true we can seldom help those closest to us. Either we don’t know what part of ourselves to give, or more often than not, the part we have to give is not wanted. And so, it is those we live with, and should know, who elude us. But we can still love them. We can love completely, without complete understanding.” – A River Runs Through It

Grace and Truth – the considerable challenge to be honest and loving; firm in our convictions, unsparing in our compassion and as clear in our beliefs as we are generous in our love.

When someone you love is same-sex attracted, you become more aware than ever of your inability to face life’s challenges apart from the grace of God.

At “Straight Talk” we will seek a Christlike response to our LGBTQ-identified family members, friends, neighbors and co-workers so may what be said of Christ Jesus may be said of us as well – that we are, as He was, full of grace and truth.

“Straight Talk” meetings are held faithfully on the 2nd Saturday of each month at Rock Harbor Churchwww.rockharborchurch.net – Bakersfield, CA and facilitated by Pastor Phillip Lee, His Way Out Ministries.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 1
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss the topic “Homosexuality and the Church”. Is the challenge, the crisis, the Church faces today really about homosexuality? Christians should never use God’s Word as a club, but neither should we water down or withhold His Word. Why are so many so adamant about challenging “change is possible for the homosexual?”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Church with Roger Spradlin pt1 – Download MP3 –

Phillip Lee & Roger Spradlin

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 13
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Is it Scriptural to label homosexuality the worst of all sins? How should a church be led to effectively love homosexuals? Can a Christian still struggling with same-sex attraction, still profess to being a Christian? Is it ok to be gay since Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality? How should a Christian respond when accuse of being homophobic? God’s truth remains absolute truth.

Listen online or download the podcast.

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt2 – Download MP3 –

Phillip Lee & Roger Spradlin

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 12
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Today, the Christian community has many different approaches to handling homosexuality. We have gay bashing churches, gay affirming churches, and churches that have taken a vow of silence on the entire matter. How can a person evaluate whether their church is handling the topic appropriately?

Listen online or download the podcast.

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt1 – Download MP3 –

Phillip Lee & Roger Spradlin

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Today, few topics are as fraught with confusion as the subject of homosexuality.

Too often, the challenge, the biggest communication problem we, the Church, face regarding homosexuality is we do not listen to understand – we listen only to reply.

Speaking as one that spent 17 years in the formidable gay communities of Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco, I know all too well there are radical gay-identified men and women who will not listen to anything the Christian community has to say.

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Their ears are closed, and their hearts have become so completely hardened that nothing Christians say will make a difference. Many have completely severed any and all bridges of communication, except for name-calling.

However, there remain men and women practicing same-sex scenarios who would walk away from it if they thought they really could. Having bought into the notion of “once gay, always gay” as I did for many years, they still experience a sense of the wrongness of what they are doing but feel completely trapped with no way out.

To be frank, these are the men and women we have often failed, many of whom are in our churches.

Again, speaking from years of living as a gay-identified man, many in the gay community are hurting because they, just as I did, compulsively act out behavior to mask and cover pain.

Too often, we the Christian community, have failed to draw a distinction between the radical gay community and the individuals sitting in church who might be confused about their gender. Or between gay activists and the son or daughter who has adopted the gay identity but still is looking for a way out.

Please know and understand the radical gay community, gay activists in particular, do not speak for all gay-identified men and women. Frankly, gay activists often, very often, give the gay community a very bad rap.

My point?

We, the Christian community, we do not like it when others paint us with a big brush, let’s not do the same with the gay community.

Draw a clear distinction between the radical gay agenda and the men and women with unwanted same-sex attraction who are seeking help and hope.

The first word from the Church to the gay community should be that we ourselves need repentance.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

Rock Harbor Church and His Way Out Ministries are pleased to announce “Straight Talk” beginning Saturday, January 14, 2023, 9:00am to 11:00am.

The kind of truth faithful followers of Christ Jesus are called to embrace, proclaim, and walk in, does not have grey edges. It is clear and straightforward about God’s commandments and God’s priorities.

It definitively names and defines what is right and wrong and does not veil the consequences for both obedience and disobedience.

Whether Christian or not, anyone seeking truth, God’s absolute truth regarding homosexuality, must turn to the Holy Scriptures.

“Straight Talk” seeks to turn controversy into ministry because those who live by truth engage in the ongoing challenge of applying God’s unchanging standards to our ever-changing culture and world.

What is the difference between “sharing the Gospel versus clobbering someone with the Bible?”

How is “speaking the truth in love” accomplished to someone whose entire identity is wrapped up in their sexuality?

Scripturally speaking, what do we know about homosexuality?

How do you respond to: “Love is love, so what difference does it make if it is two men or two women. Love is what matters most, right?”

What’s wrong with this picture: “We repent enough to be forgiven, but do we surrender enough to be changed?”

With God’s Word being crystal clear that change is possible for the man or woman combating same-sex attraction, why do you suppose many are stating change is not possible?

Which is easier for you to say, “Please forgive me for…,” or, “I need to talk to you about something you are doing that hurts me?”

How would you define (to the gay-identified man/woman) the difference between “acceptance and approval?”

“Sanctify the Lord God in your hearts,” the apostle Peter admonished. “And always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.” (1 Peter 3:15)

Straight Talk, facilitated by Pastor Phillip Lee, His Way Out Ministries, will begin on Saturday, January 14, 2023, 9:00am to 11:00am and then continue to meet on the 2nd Saturday of each month, 9:00am to 11:00am at Rock Harbor Church.

The His Way Out Ministries broadcast is dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Saturday at 12 Noon on KERI 1410 AM Bakersfield, CA
Live Stream KERI 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

Saturday at 8:30 PM on WLMR, AM and FM, Chatanooga, TN
Live Stream WLMR AM, Chattanooga, TN

Season 6, Episode 5
Phillip Lee
You are sitting in church, listening to your pastor. You are following along and taking notes on the very relevant topic of same-sex attraction because what is being shared is not only relevant to our culture but to you personally. Now you have the task, if not the monumental challenge, of facing the son, daughter, co-worker, friend, or neighbor that sees nothing wrong with homosexual practice and is involved in a same-sex relationship. You are now the one that gets to flesh out the truth you now know. How is that done? What do you do? What don’t you do? What does representing Christ Jesus in this matter look like?

Where Do We Go From Here?
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

We must never be ashamed of the Gospel – and we are told to proclaim its precepts. But how do you and I stand up to an increasingly hostile culture that demands our silence?

We respond with both truth and grace.

Will we faithfully in pulpits, homes, and our lives profess and steward the Word of God without adding to or detracting from it?

With a New Year fast approaching, His Way Out Ministries will continue to affirm Biblical truth – not culture – in 2023.

Homosexual advocates have been very creative in their interpretation of Scripture in an attempt to validate the practice of homosexuality.

Many homosexual advocates frequently impart their own personal meanings into biblical texts in an attempt to make personal experience the ultimate test of truth rather than the Truth and Authority of Scripture. However, the Bible does not condone the practice of homosexuality in any of its forms, but in fact condemns it as a damaging sin.

To those that state “The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality,” or “The Bible doesn’t say anything about homosexuality,” they usually don’t mean that homosexuality is never mentioned in the Bible, what they normally mean is one of the following: Homosexuality as practiced or viewed today never appears in Scripture, or even though the Bible does speak against homosexuality, what the Bible says does not apply to present day situations.

I remain amazed at how some people today make surprising claims about the biblical attitude toward homosexual behavior. As an example, there are those who would have us believe certain biblical characters were homosexual. Not one individual is named in the entire Word of God as a homosexual. While there are those that would have us believe that Cain and Abel, David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, even Jesus and the “beloved disciple, or Paul and Timothy,” were alleged homosexual pairs, is at best a flimsy, if not a quantum leap by some pro-gay apologists to claim biblical support for their cause and way of living.

When considered objectively, the Scriptures are not silent concerning homosexuality. Within the totality of Scripture, the practice of homosexuality is always mentioned as a violation of God’s divine intent for human sexuality. The major references to homosexuality in Scripture are: Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Genesis 19; 2 Peter 2:7 and Jude 7. Pro-gay apologists and theologians have interpreted each of these texts in such a way as to eliminate their applicability to the current ethical and moral debate on the issue.

The Holy Scriptures clearly and repeatedly condemn any violation of God’s divine order, whether through immoralities (1 Corinthians 6:16-20) or through perversion of sexual roles (Romans 1:18-32; Leviticus 18:27; 20:13). Today, The Church is continually being challenged to adjust its beliefs and theology regarding sex, to bend, if not bow down to, opinion polls and the many that have embraced science, feelings, notions, and experience over The Truth and Authority of Scripture.

There is no way biblically to arrive at any other conclusion than the practice of homosexuality is a perversion of divine order. Period.

Furthermore, to stand and condemn homosexuality in all its forms is not a symptom of homophobia or narrow-minded bigotry. It is to stand on the side of righteousness and truth and to be in obedience to the One who said, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:16) For The Church, God the Father is the only One we should seek to please.

Today, far too many are dismissing and departing from the scriptural model of Christian sexuality. Almost on a weekly basis, I hear, “I know what the Scriptures have to say about living within God’s holy boundary lines regarding sexual expression; however, I am going to follow my feelings and emotions rather than The Truth I know.” What has happened to the fact and reality that God is Holy and calls all of His followers to holiness which points directly to the fact that He is a God to be feared as well.

Christians are the temple of the living God. God has said: “I will be their God and they will be my people. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor. 6:16-18)

Considering God’s promises, every Christ-follower must purse godliness and holiness and abstain from anything and everything that seeks to contaminate body and spirit.

The Church has always been, as it remains today, God’s vehicle to preserve His Truth and defend His Church against error (Matthew 5:13; 1 Timothy 3:15). Today, other immoralities are aggressively pounding away at the Church’s door, such as pornography, abortion, rampant divorce, and cohabitation. Are we, The Church, to give way before these because the general population approves them?

Yes, today, it really does seem that anything goes. There is no right or wrong. Not only this, but many would have us believe that personal morals are equated with legal rights. Today, sex is looked on more and more as a constitutionally guaranteed right – a right to fulfill one’s biological drives however one see fit. When we commit sexual sin, which is war against our own body, as well as sin against God, we bring negative consequences upon our soul and spirit. The Apostle Peter made this point in 1 Peter 2:11, when he pleaded: “I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.”

As a Christian, meaning I embrace the totality and Authority of Scripture, I could never as a faithful follower of Christ Jesus, encourage, endorse, promote or validate the practice of homosexuality in any form. To do so would be a blatant misuse and contradiction of Scripture.

History dictates, lest we forget, what we, The Church tolerate today will be practiced tomorrow. With holiness and truth as our motivation, we, The Church, must be very careful not to adopt the customs of the world.

Ultimately, when a notion, theory, feeling, or personal opinion contradicts the Holy Scriptures, it should be rejected.

Believing in Him and You,

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

The His Way Out Ministries broadcast is dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Saturday at 12 Noon on KERI 1410 AM Bakersfield, CA
Live Stream KERI 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

Saturday at 8:30 PM on WLMR, AM and FM, Chatanooga, TN
Live Stream WLMR AM, Chattanooga, TN

Season 6, Episode 12
Special Guest: Wayne Blakely, friend, ministry colleague, author of Line By Line: A Biblical Analysis of Guiding Families of LGBT+ Loved Ones, Founder and Director of Know His Love Ministries.

Where there’s confusion, there’s a crying need for clarity. And since few subjects are as fraught with confusion as the subject of homosexuality, Know His Love Ministries, founded and directed by Wayne Blakely, provides a welcome and much-needed voice. Wayne shares details about his recent European travels and our frank and honest discussion regarding same-sex attraction and change.

Clarity with Wayne Blakely
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Phillip Lee and Wayne Blakely

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night.

Now that the Respect for Marriage Act has been signed into law, by not accepting or affirming same-sex marriage, now places you in the same category as a racist.

Look at the wording for the Respect for Marriage Act: Public Law No: 117-8…

This act provides statutory authority for same-sex and interracial marriages.

“Specifically, the act replaces provisions that define, for purposes of federal law, marriage as between a man and a woman and spouse as a person of the opposite sex with provisions that recognize any marriage between two individuals that is valid under state law. (The Supreme Court held that the current provisions were unconstitutional in United States v. Windsor in 2013.)

The act also replaces provisions that do not require states to recognize same-sex marriages from other states with provisions that prohibit the denial of full faith and credit or any right or claim relating to out-of-state marriages on the basis of sex, race, ethnicity, or national origin. (The Supreme Court held that state laws barring same-sex marriages were unconstitutional in Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015; the Court held that state laws barring interracial marriages were unconstitutional in Loving v. Virginia in 1967.) The act allows the Department of Justice to bring a civil action and establishes a private right of action for violations.”

My personal commentary…

Apart from the broader goal of legitimizing homosexuality, the alleged aim of all gay rights initiatives, is to protect homosexuals from discrimination based solely on their sexual orientation. Too often, gay rights are presented and promoted as an issue of civil rights with the gay community likening themselves to African Americans or other minorities who have suffered under discriminatory laws and social policies.

Is such an argument and analogy really justified?

Have homosexuals really been the object of prejudice and discrimination in the same way as African Americans?

The color of one’s skin is not a matter of choice; that is genetically determined. However, homosexual behavior is not genetically determined.

Therefore, it is one thing to say that we believe in civil rights for all regardless of one’s skin color. It is quite another matter to say that we believe in civil rights for all regardless of one’s behavior.

Homosexuals frequently speak of themselves as if their being gay is fundamental to who they are as persons and as a community. Ultimately, they are in effect defining themselves by their gayness. As a result, they set themselves off as a separate class, a group needing, if not demanding, special attention and deference.

Are we as a society really being asked to connect and equate civil rights and homosexual rights as the same?

As a member of the gay community for 17 years, I was never denied the right to vote, own property, or attend the college or university of my choice. History clearly dictates and reflects that African Americans cannot say the same.

Therefore, comparing homosexual rights to the civil rights of African Americans is shallow and ultimately insulting. Homosexuals, as a class, have not suffered discrimination as African Americans.

The attempt to blur the lines that homosexual practice is clearly about morals by comparing a behavior to an issue of civil rights is dishonest and misleading. A significant number of homosexuals do not suffer from economic or other key forms of discrimination as do African Americans.

As citizens of the United States, homosexuals have all the afforded rights extended to every citizen. These fundamental rights include: the right to vote, the First Amendment rights of free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of petition, and freedom of religion.

Ultimately, there is no socially compelling reason to grant special status to homosexuals and there should be no comparison to the history and present day of African Americans.

There is no doubt, no question that closely tied to the quest for power by gay activists is their crusade for acceptance, the desire and demand to gain society’s approval on homosexual behavior.

Homosexuals have the right, as do others, to believe that homosexual behavior should be accepted as normal.

They do not have the right to demand everyone agree with them.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

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