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Nancy Schultz, a friend of many years, sent me this picture taken in 1985. While I do not know the exact date the picture was taken, I do know it wasn’t too long after surrendering my life to Christ Jesus.

We, (left) Nancy Schultz, my mother, Roma, me and Nancy’s dad, Bob.

We are standing in the church parking lot sharing a cup of fellowship. Yep, it was most definitely quite some time ago because I had dark hair!

Ah, yes, Church.

For years I have had a practice when speaking in a church or conference to eventually make my way to the back of sanctuary or auditorium, look toward the front and think to myself – “This is good. This is decent. This makes sense.”

The years I lived as a gay-identified man within the gay communities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City produced anything but a good, decent, and sense-filled life. The futility of homosexual practice enabled and produced a false self, a half-person, and left me with a perpetual question mark.

Ultimately, it was the Church that helped me to face reality honestly, compassionately and courageously. With time, a sense of value, a sense of being loved and accepted, and a sense of living a meaningful life produced the best value of all – human well-being.

Honesty requires I acknowledge there were times of moving into my new life, my new identity and a new community that was by no means easy. Thankfully and gratefully, within the process, I received an abundance of wise counsel, encouragement and support.

Today, if I allow myself to look back, I marvel at how easily I became consumed by and locked into a false identity not knowing and realizing I was hopelessly and endlessly searching for “me” in all the wrong places.

The Church that surrounded me treated me with dignity and respect while at the same time being abundantly clear in stating and showing me from Scripture that homosexual behavior is just one of the forms human fallenness can take with divine forgiveness and restoration available to all that surrender to the Lordship of Christ.

To this day, I remain grateful to the Church for helping me to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy desires. It is a fact that truth can hurt, if not cut deeply, before it heals. However, truth offered and presented compassionately is more than liberating. When truth becomes known, and acted upon, truth frees.

Yes, indeed, Church is good, decent, and makes sense. Where I came from made no sense whatsoever. Truth and reality dictate that until each person comes to grips with this central ethical question – whether and why anything is either right or wrong – they will wander needlessly, hopelessly, and God forbid, disastrously adrift.

To speak the truth in love is not to condemn the one to whom it is spoken. Truth is good, truth is decent, truth makes sense and will defend itself.

“Let love be without dissimulation…” (Romans 12:9).

I remain grateful the Church spoke truth to me.

Pastor Phillip Lee

Part One of A Biblical Response to Sexuality, presented at Olive Knoll’s Church of the Nazarene by Pastor Phillip Lee. Part Two next Monday, or watch now on Vimeo at http://vimeo.com/52165093.

Used by permission. ©His Way Out Ministries

A Biblical Response to Sexuality pt1 from Phillip Lee on Vimeo.

“Restoration comes when you realize the light at the end of the tunnel is NOT a train!” (Lessons learned from the pit. Ugh!)

Today, often caught in the middle of the emotional conflict regarding “change” is the person who struggles with unwanted same-sex attraction. To him, (and I use the pronoun generically for both men and women) the issue of change is more than just an issue of emotional debate. It strikes at the very core of his being, either bringing hope or despair.

The Oxford American Dictionary defines change as to make or become different; to pass from one form or phase into another. Certainly, for any individual the greatest change is to become a Christian and know that your ultimate eternal destination has been changed from hell to heaven; to become born-again.

Having been around the phenomenon of change for quite some time, I am convinced that much of the conflict regarding same-sex attraction and change comes from a misunderstanding of the meaning of change. Redemptive changes occur in all healing, restoration process, our past involvement in sinful behavior, and what it was that pushed us toward the particular sin in the first place. With same-sex attraction, it is no different. The contributing factors to a person having an issue with same-sex attraction are numerous and complex. However, that does not minimize God’s power and sovereignty, nor does it change the undeniable biblical evidence that God can change the life of a person involved in homosexuality. Homosexuals have been experiencing change since the Bible was written. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

It occurred to me early on in my new life in Christ Jesus that the Gospel never once stated “come as you are and stay as you are” but rather “come as you are to be restored and transformed.”

Not unlike a multitude of others, I thought (at least to a degree), that a lot of my “stuff” would instantaneously just “poof” and disappear. It didn’t occur to me that I did not arrive at my broken place in life overnight, therefore not everything was going to be resolved overnight. I had programmed deep into my thinking a whole truckload of experiences, activities, and beliefs that were anything but what God had intended. And, nobody pushed the “clear button” when I became a believer. All of that stuff (lies) was recorded in my mind and enabled the strongholds which directly affected how I say myself and others.

And, so, began a process of spiritual growth which continues to this day. I began facing and working through character faults, past hurts, immaturities, and a list of insecurities. You know, stuff! Often taking life disappointments and broken dreams to Jesus. Only He truly knows the answers to your problems.

One of the biggest and highest hurdles I first had to face down was the admittance I needed to make changes. Frankly, having to admit I needed to change was pretty tough since I could recall having same-gender attraction for as long as I could remember, and those feelings and emotions ‘felt’ natural. Ultimately, the admittance change is needed and necessary translated to “there’s something wrong with the way I am and the way I live.” You know, that’s a huge blow to one’s ego especially when you come to the realization that the changes needed cannot be accomplished alone.

I would definitely equate leaving homosexuality as comparable to submitting to major spiritual surgery. Bam! Instantaneously, your whole identity becomes absolute turmoil. That should not be so surprising since anytime we make a change in our behavior, it is usually because the pain involved in that behavior far outweighs the pleasure. Maybe you noticed like I did many, many years ago – while we know intellectually we must make a change, our feelings do not necessarily follow – men and women that say goodbye to homosexuality or lesbianism, experience grief, disorientation, and confusion. This is because someone we have known, been well acquainted with for a long, long time, is now dying. It is perfectly understandable the loss impacts our life and we grieve.

How well I remember launching out into the very, very uncomfortable dimension of the restoration process by opening up and placing under the Holy Ghost microscope, old, unresolved wounds. Ugh! I hated “going there” but I also understood that to implement necessary changes in my life necessitated retracing certain steps that enabled me to arrive at such a desperate place in life. Identifying painful situations that enabled the brokenness of same-sex attraction and working through them is just part of the whole process.

I am often asked, “Why do some make it out of homosexuality while others don’t?” I am convinced the common denominator among the men and women that have experienced a significant change in their lives involved the consideration of total surrender and control in their lives. In other words, nothing short of total commitment to the will of God (despite feelings, emotions, hormones, temptations, etc.) holds the same-sex attracted individual to the discipline needed for change. Ultimately, it is the individual’s decision and follow-through of putting God on the throne of his or her life instead of self.

Freedom, change, healing, restoration only occurs when we look upward to Jesus and are purposed to enter more deeply into fellowship with Him. As our Creator, God is the only one who knows exactly how to restore us and bring about change.

“I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.” (John 12:24-25 NIV)

Here’s a thought. When an individual who was once controlled by his or her sin is now free from that sin and engaged in a new kind of life pattern, hasn’t change occurred?

One day (I remember this so well), I had one of those “Ah-Ha!” moments. It finally hit me after a very, very long period of time that I was most definitely a “guy” that just happened to have different interests, gifts, and talents that did not necessarily match the abilities, gifts, and talents of others. No gender confusion, just gifts God had granted me and placed within me to ultimately honor and glorify Him. I have heard it said, “Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.” Boy had I bought into a truckload of negatives about myself.

Thank you, Jesus, for leaving the light on for me to find my way out of the negatives and darkness.

Oswald Chambers states in My Utmost for His Highest, “A man is a slave for obeying unless behind his obedience there is recognition of a Holy God.” I find it remarkable that God never insists on our obedience, but when we truly know Him, we want to instantly obey Him, change, and live according to His perfect will from sunup to sundown.

To this day, I thank God I did not become a Christian to leave homosexuality. I became a Christian because Jesus just made sense. Heaven knows, where I came from and what I was doing made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Today, I continue to find that God will take me as far as I am willing to go. The path of healing from same-sex attraction comes about only through a genuine and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ. The addiction and bondage to homosexuality can be broken. I say “can be” because Jesus has given us free will. The essential first step is wanting Christ and all that He offers.

The only remedy for any lie you may have embraced or bought into about yourself or homosexuality is to confront it with truth, His truth.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

“If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, then I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is tested.” Martin Luther

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Four; Episodes 12 through 21 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 10 Episodes.

Scripture and Sexual Expression with Will Wynn pt1, Audio Podcast S04E12
Scripture and Sexual Expression with Will Wynn pt2, Audio Podcast S04E13
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by ordained minister, fried, and partner of His Way Out Ministries, Will Winn to discuss, Scripture and Sexual Expression. What do we know about homosexuality, scripturally-speaking? Pastor Phillip and Will take a journey through a variety of Scriptures that speak clearly with regard to homosexuality. Genesis Chapters 1 and 2, Matthew 19:4-6, and Romans 5:12-19, just to name a few, clearly define that God’s divine intent for human sexuality has very clear holy boundary lines regarding sexual expression.

A Crisis of Authority with Pete Baker pt1, Audio Podcast S04E14
A Crisis of Authority with Pete Baker pt2, Audio Podcast S04E15
Pastor Pete Baker, friend, ministry partner, and Senior Pastor of Fairfax Assembly of God joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss,

  • Why has the issue of homosexuality remained so divisive to the Church?
  • How does God want us to see gay-identified individuals?
  • Have too many churches conformed to the standards of the popular culture regarding homosexual practice versus the truth and authority of Scripture?
  • Is the Bible inspired and without error in its original delivery to the prophets from God or just a collection of myths and man-made opinions?

Pastor Baker also shares the testimony of his two recent trips to South Korea with emphasis on the dedication, discipline, and power of prayer.

Feelings Don’t Define Your Identity with Angelo Frazier pt1, Audio Podcast S04E16
Feelings Don’t Define Your Identity with Angelo Frazier pt2, Audio Podcast S04E17
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Pastor of Outreach & Care at River Lakes Community Church, Angelo Frazier, for a frank discussion touching on feelings and sexual identity. How does God want us to see gay-identified men and women? Is it possible to validate homosexual practice from Scripture? Scripture states clearly that change is possible.

Feelings Are Not The Real You with Wayne Blakely pt1, Audio Podcast S04E18
Feelings Are Not The Real You with Wayne Blakely pt2, Audio Podcast S04E19
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Wayne Blakely, Founder and Director of Know His Love Ministries. God defines the difference between right and wrong. And, He has made sexual pleasure to be good…in the context of His moral boundaries set for it. Wayne shares about his 40 years living as a gay-identified man and both offer a response to “Same-sex attraction…Why me?”

Don’t Underestimate The Church with Will Wynn pt1, Audio Podcast S04E20
Don’t Underestimate The Church with Will Wynn pt2, Audio Podcast S04E21
Pastor Philip Lee is joined by friend, ministry partner, and ordained minister, Will Winn, for a frank, open, and honest discussion about the difficulty faced by the Christian Church regarding homosexual behavior. The Church remains God’s vehicle to reach wounded, broken, and hurting humanity, and should not be underestimated in it’s ability to provide answers to the difficult topic of homosexuality.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

Today, attempts by pro-gay theologians and pro-gay apologists to revise the historic teachings of the Church with regard to homosexual practice are relentless. Admittedly, their effort to persuade the clergy and theologians of the moral legitimacy of homosexual conduct has not been carried out in a vacuum. Battles continue, as those who favor homosexual practice promote the notion that there is no clear answer to the issue. There are even those that attempt to persuade under the banners of ‘love’ and ‘commitment’ that homosexual relationships be justified.

Today, there are powerful forces at work with the enemy having accomplished much by utilizing his divide and conquer tactics. Clearly, many are now worshipping another Jesus. A Jesus which has been created by man that requires absolutely no sacrifice, makes no demands of obedience, and is completely and totally silent when it comes to sexual sin.

Scripturally speaking, what do we know about homosexuality?

  • We are created beings and created with a specific intent. (Genesis 1:26-2:23) God’s blueprint for human sexuality as found in Genesis 1 and 2, clearly establishes that from the beginning God had a divine intent for human sexuality with well-defined holy boundary lines to live within regarding sexual expression.
  • God’s divine intent for human sexuality is fulfilled within the covenant of a monogamous and heterosexual union. (Matthew 19:4-6)
  • We are a fallen race, and the Fall has marred every part of our experience, including our sexual experience. (Romans 5:12-19)
  • Homosexuality is a manifestation of fallen nature and it violates created intent. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
  • Homosexuals are redeemable and change is possible. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Nowhere within the totality of Scripture will you find even one positive statement about homosexual practice. Every time homosexuality is mentioned it is always mentioned as a behavior in which no man or woman is to practice. Difficult as this standard is to obey, it is the calling of Christ for all His followers, including those with same-sex attractions and desires.

The problem with pro-gay theologians and pro-gay apologists is their theorizing and speculating on what Scripture does not say about homosexuality while a true faithful follower of Christ Jesus stands upon the clarity and authority of Scripture regarding homosexual practice. Revisionists can justify virtually any type of sexual relationship, including those traditionally and historically considered immoral.

Revisionists have been quite successful in confusing compassion with acceptance of homosexual practice. Those promoting ‘the liberating power of love,’ continue to blur the lines by citing ‘some of God’s Word’ as too repressive. However, Jesus Himself repeatedly affirmed the relevance and importance of moral law:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17-18)

Ultimately, any effort to redefine homosexual practice (in any form and to any degree) as acceptable and consistent with biblical faith constitutes an attack upon the very foundations of the Christian faith and Church.

As revisionist attacks will no doubt continue, faithful followers of the teachings of Christ must continue to counter any and all attempts to make homosexuality morally acceptable. Not to do so would undermine the traditional and historic Christian understanding regarding sexual morality.

The Gospel message that Jesus preached was and is a message of repentance and surrender. Like Jesus, His followers are to suffer the rejection of the world. We are intended to be at odds with the thinking and attitudes of this world. To water down the Gospel to make it acceptable is to lose the truth and life of God’s message.

In a world that is rapidly accepting everything and tolerating anything, faithful followers of Christ Jesus must be extremely careful. Many false teachers exist today with their underlying message being homosexuality is acceptable for anyone who wants to engage in it – a direct contradiction of Scripture.

Today, virtually nothing in society promotes the truth about homosexuality. The lies that homosexuality is a fulfilling, normal and healthy alternative saturate the media. Many are tenacious and relentless in elevating same-sex desire to the level of a moral norm.

The Church is presently faced with a challenge of significance of which is nearly impossible to exaggerate. Is ‘tolerance’ to be extended without limitation to any and all kinds of sexual expression? Is any kind of sexual relationship scripturally permissible as long as it is ‘consensual’? Does it all come down to a matter of personal taste?

I still believe the Church remains God’s vehicle to reach wounded, broken, hurting humanity. Therefore, may we, His Church:

Affirm the biblical position that God loves all persons, with homosexuality being one sin among many others and that the Holy Spirit is available to transform all persons – including the same-sex attracted individual.

Minister to persons with unwanted same-sex attraction and their families as partners in Christ’s work of healing and transformation.

Call the Church to recognize and confess its need for repentance of its welcoming and affirming of homosexual practice in the Church.

“He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8)

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Four; Episodes 1 through 11 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 11 Episodes.

Facing Reality Honestly, Compassionately, and Courageously, Audio Podcast S04E01
Whether the confession comes from a son, daughter, spouse or close friend, the admission of homosexuality hits like a bombshell, especially in Christian homes. Pastor Phillip Lee encourages all involved to face the issue of homosexuality honestly, compassionately, and courageously.

Representing the Culture or Representing Christ with Clayton Ford pt1, Audio Podcast S04E02
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Dr. Clayton Ford, Interim Pastor of Chinese Community Church, San Diego, CA, author of Called to High Adventure: Living the Spirit-Filled Life

Pastor Phillip and Dr. Ford question how we arrived at a point where same-sex marriage is legal throughout America? Did we, the Church, contribute to a cultural vacuum by offering very little resistance? How did we arrive at a point where a popular error in the Church is the attempt to blur the lines of Christian ethics, making the term “Love” an omnipotent spiritual quality which has the power to validate anything done it its name.

Representing the Culture or Representing Christ with Clayton Ford pt2, Audio Podcast S04E03
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Dr. Clayton Ford, Interim Pastor of Chinese Community Church, San Diego, CA, author of Called to High Adventure: Living the Spirit-Filled Life

Pastor Phillip and Dr. Ford continue their discussion, observing that no matter how strongly we may be opposed to the homosexual agenda (and all of its aspects), we are first of all called to be Christians who have the privilege of representing Christ Jesus to all communities of the world, regardless of color, class, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Yet why are so many choosing to remain silent?

The Impact of Homosexuality on Christian Families with Carol Wagstaff pt1, Audio Podcast S04E04
The Impact of Homosexuality on Christian Families with Carol Wagstaff pt2, Audio Podcast S04E05
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Carol Wagstaff, Founder of Living Stones Ministries and author of the new book Reclaim, Restore and Rebuild: Hope for Families Impacted by Sexual Brokenness.

Carol shares how homosexuality impacted her marriage which leads to a discussion of topics such as:

  • What does it mean to speak the truth in love?
  • Why we must be very careful to distinguish between homosexual attraction versus homosexual practice.
  • What are some of the boundaries Christian parents must set?
  • Homosexuality always seems to be someone else’s problem until it knocks on your front door.
  • The role of the Church to those with unwanted same-sex attraction.

If sexual brokenness – homosexuality or transgenderism – has touched your family, you’re on a painful and challenging journey. But you’re not alone.

Still Waters with Brian Busby and Joseph Crisostomo pt1, Audio Podcast S04E06
Still Waters with Brian Busby and Joseph Crisostomo pt2, Audio Podcast S04E07
Pastor Brian Busby and Joseph Crisostomo of Valley Baptist Church join Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss the many controversies that often surround the topic of homosexuality:

  • What does it mean to “speak the truth in love?”
  • Is there any way to support homosexual practice from Scripture?
  • Love, true love for God, is evidenced in our obedience to Him.
  • How do we respond to “Jesus never said anything specifically about homosexuality.”
  • This is all about people – not an issue.

The Culture or The Church with Will Winn pt1, Audio Podcast S04E08
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by friend and ministry partner Will Winn to discuss, The Culture or The Church. Should the culture war dictate what the Church believes? When the authority of the Bible is denigrated, the Church of Jesus Christ, the light of the world, will be without any clear guidance of her own. Much is at stake.

The Culture or The Church with Will Winn pt2, Audio Podcast S04E09
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by friend and ministry partner Will Winn for part two of the topic, The Culture or The Church. How about turning the many controversies surrounding homosexuality into ministry? Churches that blend uncompromised grace and truth are positioned for dynamic ministry.

And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt1, Audio Podcast S04E10
And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt2, Audio Podcast S04E11
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Special Guest, Wayne Blakely, retired Co-Founder of Coming Out Ministries and Director of Know His Love Ministries as they discuss:

  • The importance of the Church walking alongside men and women desiring to address and overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.
  • Does the term “ex-gay” properly identify a man or woman who has left the gay identity and community?
  • How should we define “deliverance” from homosexuality and what does that look like?
  • Why is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 such an extremely important Scripture passage regarding homosexual practice?

Wayne shares “after 40 years of involvement in homosexuality and then surrendering his life to Christ,” what the process – the journey – has been like.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

Not long ago, a Christian mother contacted His Way Out Ministries and once again offered the expression we have heard so many times during the 25 years of His Way Out Ministries, “I never thought I would be contacting you with a problem of homosexuality in my family.”

The mother was understandably shattered. Initially, while the mother did respond and react appropriately standing upon the right Scriptures, the son responded with a very interesting and revealing remark. He said, “Mom, you keep telling me how hard this is for you to hear and deal with. Don’t you realize how hard it has been for me these many, many years, being raised in a Christian home and knowing that once this got out it would kill you? Ultimately, I had to make a decision that I knew nobody would be happy with. Please consider and realize that I have my own demons to fight.”

At Friends and Family Care Group, we acknowledge that picking up the pieces of life after receiving disturbing news is a challenging and difficult task.

Within our Care Group meetings…

We purpose to see the need to face the reality of what has happened, let go of the person, often just at a time when we feel we need to hang on harder, accept responsibility for our own actions as they relate to the situation, and grow spiritually through it all.

We seek to understand and face the complexity of emotions, actions and questions that most people have upon learning of a child’s, friend’s, co-worker’s or fellow brother or sister in Christ have upon learning of the issue of same-sex attraction.

We challenge each other to make godly choices for spiritual growth in our lives as well as the issues facing the family, Church, and community at large.

We encourage everyone to allow God to use them in the lives of their children, friends, family and church members with regard to the issue of same-sex attraction and related issues.

We distinguish carefully between homosexual attraction and homosexual behavior.

We encourage faith that God is able and willing to bring wholeness to the homosexual person.

As faithful followers of Christ Jesus, we must never affirm homosexual practice. But we can at least affirm the fact that the individual struggling with same-sex attraction has tried to be honest with us and has taken quite a risk in telling us, knowing it is not what we wanted to hear.

For everyone of us, one of the great crossroads in life is trying to come to terms with choices children, friends, and family members are making that are no longer within our control. Often, we feel helpless to stop what is happening, and it is often a very frustrating, if not frightening position in which to find ourselves. Ultimately, our choices about how we are going to react are sometimes all we have left.

Even if God were to answer the question “why” He has allowed this or that to happen in our families and friendships, this would not change the fact that it has happened. We must face reality, and understand that life, at least in some respects, just may never be quite the same again.

However, looking through the eyes of faith, it will become much better, as we learn the lessons the Lord has for us in “this situation.” To that end, in light of our acceptance of this reality, we can ask, “What now, Lord?” rather than, “Why?”

Friends and Family Care Group meets on the 4th Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at the His Way Out Ministries office.

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Three; Episodes 14 through 26 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 13 Episodes.

Restoring Sexual Identity: Banned? with Anne Paulk, Audio Podcast S03E14
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Very Special Guest Anne Paulk, author of Restoring Sexual Identity, and Executive Director of Restored Hope Network.

Anne shares testimony of her personal journey out of the brokenness of same-sex attraction and we discuss in detail proposed bills in California that, if passed into law, will greatly limit, if not prohibit, men and women receiving the guidance, encouragement, and support needed to walk away from the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Today, it truly seems, the real menace of society is not those who oppose immorality but those who promote it. While we cannot, we must not, take the law into our own hands, we can, we will, we must, refuse to allow immorality to become commonplace and acceptable. This is not gay bashing. No one should be labeled hateful, a bigot, or homophobic for standing upon the Authority of Scripture and challenging or opposing the legitimacy of homosexual practice. Scripturally-speaking, it is impossible to validate, promote, or affirm homosexual practice from Scripture.

Winds of Social Change with Will Wynn pt1, Audio Podcast S03E15
It’s great to have Will Winn, ordained minister, friend, ministry partner, highly educated in Theology, Ministry, Christian Education, and Church Administration, join me to discuss California Assembly Bill 2943, a bill that has the potential to censor Christian resources like books, conference materials, and even the Gospel itself.

Right now, we should have our eyes on California. If bad policies, which are fervently being pushed are accepted in California, they usually start to spread to other states. For years, California has been testing the atmosphere around “sexual identity politics.”

It’s one thing to have a genuine disagreement with someone about their deeply held religious belief. It is a whole other thing, though, to penalize those who work to help others live out their faith. To put it simply, Christian schools, churches, and others who hold a traditional understanding of marriage and sexuality would be open to lawsuits for teaching Biblical truth about homosexuality or transgenderism.

Winds of Social Change with Will Wynn pt2, Audio Podcast S03E16
Will Winn, ordained minister, friend, ministry partner, highly educated in Theology, Ministry, Christian Education, and Church Administration, join me for part two of our discussion of the huge winds of social change that continue to blow aimlessly across America.

Same-sex marriage, I-feel-and-therefore-I-am-entitled, men in girls bathrooms, the on-going HIV/AIDS crisis, sexual addiction, pornography epidemic, gender confusion, sexual abuse, sexual identity confusion, etc.

The truth of the matter is the crisis we now face has existed for decades with the downward spiral beginning with our accepting and welcoming Jesus into our theology but not into our sexuality. The Church cannot and must not apologize for moral and ethical holy boundary lines for living. All faithful followers of Christ Jesus are called to a higher standard.

Only One Master with Janet Boynes pt1, Audio Podcast S03E17
Only One Master with Janet Boynes pt2, Audio Podcast S03E18
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Janet Boynes, Founder and CEO of Janet Boynes Ministries in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Janet shares the testimony of her personal journey out of lesbianism and how important it was that she found herself in a church that loved her through the process of healing and transformation.

Janet Boynes Ministries is guided by the ministry principles of, 1) teaching compassion without compromise, 2) remaining bold and strategic in the face of adversity, 3) staying true to the will of God, and 4) fulfilling the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Moving Toward the Goal with Brandon Holthaus pt1, Audio Podcast S03E19
Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church in Bakersfield, California joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss the questions: Can those who are struggling with same-sex desires truly profess to be Christian? What about those who are practicing gays or lesbians yet proclaim Christ? Did God really make some straight and some gay? What exactly does it mean for any of us to proclaim, “I am a Christian”?

Moving Toward the Goal with Brandon Holthaus pt2, Audio Podcast S03E20
Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church in Bakersfield, California joins Pastor Phillip Lee for part two of their discussion focusing on the question: When a Christian upholds the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture regarding homosexuality, isn’t that “protecting God’s character and the authority of His Word?”

Counterfeit Sexuality with Phillip Lee, Audio Podcast S03E21
Any endeavor to make the Bible agree with homosexual practice, requires abandoning the truth of God. True love, love for God, is not about sexual preference – it is about Biblical obedience. Join Pastor Phillip Lee as he explores Counterfeit Sexuality.

Authority and the Process of Change with Michael Brown pt1, Audio Podcast S03E22
Dr. Michael L. Brown, founder and president of FIRE School of Ministry, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and host of the daily, nationally, syndicated talk radio show, The Line of Fire, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to focus on sexual morality. It is not a matter of each individual’s personal interpretation but is a matter of authority, God’s authority. It is imperative the Church protect and defend The Authority of Scripture.

Authority and the Process of Change with Michael Brown pt2, Audio Podcast S03E23
Dr. Michael L. Brown, founder and president of FIRE School of Ministry, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and host of the daily, nationally, syndicated talk radio show, The Line of Fire, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to continue their discussion, focusing on the question, “Can you be gay and a Christian?” Scripture is abundantly clear that ‘change’ is possible. Today however, especially in America, little is being offered which promotes this truth about homosexuality.

Trusting God’s Absolute Truth with Clayton Ford pt1, Audio Podcast S03E24
Trusting God’s Absolute Truth with Clayton Ford pt2, Audio Podcast S03E25
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Dr. Clayton Ford, Interim Pastor of Chinese Community Church, San Diego, CA, author of Called to High Adventure: Living the Spirit-Filled Life and National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries as they discuss how believing the Bible and trusting in its inerrancy (there are no errors), places each person on the right path of God’s absolute truth regarding His view and holy boundary lines regarding sexual behavior.

Demystifying Same-Sex Attraction with Brian Busby, Audio Podcast S03E26
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his guest Pastor Brian Busby from Valley Baptist Church as they discuss the role of the Church to men, women, and their families impacted by the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction. They also discussed the upcoming Educational Workshop titled Demystifying Homosexuality: Defending Biblical Sexual Morality on Saturday, September 15, 2018, 1:00pm to 4:00pm at Valley Baptist Church/Olive Drive Campus.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

As faithful followers of Christ Jesus, we cannot, we must never affirm homosexual practice because God has clearly spoken on the matter.

Genesis 1:26-2:23
God’s blueprint for human sexuality as found in Genesis 1 and 2, clearly establishes that from the beginning God had a divine intent for human sexuality with well-defined holy boundary lines to live within regarding sexual expression.

Matthew 19:4-6
God’s divine intent for human sexuality is fulfilled within the covenant of a monogamous and heterosexual union.

Romans 5:12-19
We are a fallen race, and the Fall has marred every part of our experience, including our sexual experience.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Homosexuality is a manifestation of fallen nature and it violates created intent.

1 Corinthians 6:11
Homosexuals are redeemable and change is possible.

When God speaks a word on any subject, He speaks the final word. What I think, what I feel must take a back seat to whom God is and what He has spoken.

While we cannot approve of what is clearly condemned in Scripture, we can listen. Listening does not mean that we approve of homosexual behavior, but it does mean that we respect the person enough to want to know what their life experiences have been like.

It is when we accept the person (while not condoning behavior) that we can also let go. Letting go can be excruciating because we want to jump in and make things right. You know, we do not want to release him or her. We want to jump in and fix it!

And yet often, very often, before life can take a dramatic turn or something genuine can happen in someone’s life, we have to release that person to God and to the consequences of their choices. A prayer of relinquishment becomes necessary.

It is important for me to state that while we let go, God does not let go. Each and every one of us who have had involvement in homosexuality gave our loved ones plenty of good reasons to write us off. Personally-speaking, I cannot recall one good reason for my family to have ever thought I would repent.

For me, like so many, many others, I had to exhaust all that gay seemingly promised but never, ever delivered. The ultimate awakening came in, “Hmmmm. This isn’t gay at all.”

Thankfully and gratefully, my family and God, patiently waited for me to come back to my senses and realize I had made many foolish choices, and that there had to be a far better life.

Pastor Phillip Lee

Pastor Phillip Lee and His Way Out Ministries present Season Three; Episodes 1 through 13 Audio Podcasts originally broadcast live on KERI 1410AM Radio in Bakersfield, CA

All 4 Seasons and 91 Episodes of 30-minute broadcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Listen online or download all 13 Episodes.

Homosexuality and the Church with Roger Spradlin pt1, Audio Podcast S03E01
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss the topic “Homosexuality and the Church”. Is the challenge, the crisis, the Church faces today really about homosexuality? Christians should never use God’s Word as a club, but neither should we water down or withhold His Word. Why are so many so adamant about challenging “change is possible for the homosexual?”

Homosexuality and the Church with Roger Spradlin pt2, Audio Podcast S03E02
Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church, joins Pastor Phillip Lee for part 2 of their discussion on “Homosexuality and the Church”. Too many youth today are learning more about homoexuality from the Internet, Movies, and TV rather than in Church, causing many to be misled. How should a Christian, a church, reach out in love to a homosexual or the gay community to effectively represent Christ?

Christian and Single with Will Winn, Audio Podcast S03E03
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss Christianity and the single believer. What does it mean to be Christian and single? What are the holy boundary lines defined by God for all single men and women to live within? Is it ok for a Christian to remain single?

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt1, Audio Podcast S03E04
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

Stephen and I discuss, Does the Bible say change is possible? Why are some still believing the “born that way” notion/theory? Is transformation instantaneous or a process? Why is it so important to have a Christian support network?

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt2, Audio Podcast S03E05
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

In part 2 of our discussion, Stephen and I discuss, Why this book, and why now? Does God condemn a person for being same-sex attracted? What does it mean to live a life free from labels?

Stephen offers great insight and truth in “understanding homosexuality.”

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt1, Audio Podcast S03E06
What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt2, Audio Podcast S03E07
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt1, Audio Podcast S03E08
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries. Carol shares her testimony of how homosexuality impacted her marriage and family. We also discuss how parents begin to pick up the pieces after learning of a child’s same-sex attraction. Critically important for families to understand the difference between “acceptance and approval.”

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt2, Audio Podcast S03E09
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries for part 2 of their discussion on Homosexuality and the Family. What does the Bible say about homosexual practice? Do men and women choose to be gay? What about the “I am a gay Christian” statement? Why do some still question if change is possible? Is the ultimate goal for the homosexual, heterosexuality?

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt1, Audio Podcast S03E10
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

A church is a family, with all of its diversity, and no two churches are exactly the same. Today, when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, congregations appear to be all over the map. Gay affirming, fearful, gay bashing, and complacent churches, as well as churches that are still sold out to Christ’s way. Why do you suppose the Church has become so diverse on this matter?

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt2, Audio Podcast S03E11
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

We must respond with unconditional love to individuals dealing with same-sex attraction, while at the same time, unwavering in our loyalty to God’s Word. It is imperative the Church affirm and defend the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt1, Audio Podcast S03E12
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Today, the Christian community has many different approaches to handling homosexuality. We have gay bashing churches, gay affirming churches, and churches that have taken a vow of silence on the entire matter. How can a person evaluate whether their church is handling the topic appropriately?

A Christian Approach to Homosexuality with Roger Spradlin pt2, Audio Podcast S03E13
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with his special guest Pastor Roger Spradlin, Senior Pastor at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield CA.

Is it Scriptural to label homosexuality the worst of all sins? How should a church be led to effectively love homosexuals? Can a Christian still struggling with same-sex attraction, still profess to being a Christian? Is it ok to be gay since Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality? How should a Christian respond when accuse of being homophobic? God’s truth remains absolute truth.

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category on the right.

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