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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 19
Followup with Marylee Shrider, Executive Director of Right To Life Kern County on her Podcast tilled Voices For Life. Part Two of our discussion will once again take place on the His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast.

Christian men and women are called to a life that involves going against the normal flow of our culture, a culture which promotes a love of pleasure and self-indulgence. We are called and commanded by Christ Jeus to strive for purity.

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RTLKC Followup with Marylee Shrider pt1
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Phillip Lee and Marylee Shrider

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In a workshop for parents with children involved in homosexuality, I was asked, “How do I pray for my same-sex attracted son/daughter?”

Since the roots of same-sex attraction are complex, it would be a mistake to suppose that a one method prayer approach would be universally successful. First and foremost, if we want to get results in prayer, we must be convinced of one basic fact: God wants to answer our prayers. In other words, expect wonderful things to happen.

Luke 18:1 says, “Men ought always to pray and not to faint.”

It is not the beauty or the eloquence of our prayer that gets God’s ear, He responds to faith. Praying in faith is merely having confidence in God’s willingness to use His power to answer your prayer. Faith causes your prayers to bring results.

For most same-sex attracted men and women, the sexual aspect is surface in comparison to the complex roots of the same-sex orientation. Therefore, ordinarily, expect that changes will occur in his or her life gradually and over time. That said; do not rule out relatively instant changes.

Today, “Does the individual with same-sex attraction want to be restored?” is an important if not paramount question. Be prepared for the life that he or she has known, the friends they have known, and the prospect of possibly losing so much to surface. Certainly, while we encourage change we should not pressure or push people into making decisions. The very first step is to help the person to know Jesus; help them to know God’s love. Allow Jesus to work from the inside out, step by step.

If the gay-identified individual does not sense a need yet for change or is possibly ambivalent about it, we need to love him or her and accept them where they are. This does not mean we accept the homosexual lifestyle, but there is a progression in time and God respects the freedom of the person’s free-will and conscience.

I did not know until after about five or six years of freedom from homosexuality and well into my new life in Christ, how and for how long my mother had been praying for me. One day, my mother and I were having a frank discussion about homosexuality when all of a sudden she began to sob with a steady flow of tears streaming down her face. When I asked “Mom, what’s wrong?” she replied, “You don’t know the many, many times I prayed: ‘Devil, I don’t care what he’s been doing or even for how long he’s been doing it, in the Name of Jesus you can’t have him anymore!’” Watch out for the prayers of Mama.

As we all know, when we have sinned, we need to repent and ask God’s forgiveness. Like a heterosexual who has been sexually active for years, a sexually active homosexual will find it challenging to enter into the process of change, and he or she may lapse from time to time, but the basic will to change must be there.

Unfortunately, some men and women struggling with same-sex attraction become rigid at the very mention of healing, deliverance, or restoration because the terms imply there is something wrong with them. Many have encountered so much shaming that they just naturally react sometimes even to the best of intentions, or as they see it, yet another opportunity to put them down. I guarantee you any judgmental, righteous attitude on the part of anyone even offering to pray will instantly be sensed.

It is not unusual for some to criticize most actions that fall outside the scope of our own desires and understanding. As a result, a heterosexual man or woman never having an issue with same-sex attraction might have a tendency to feel uncomfortable with someone with a homosexual orientation, especially if they fear the homosexual might develop a sexual attraction if they became too friendly. The ironic twist, if not a general rule, is that I challenge our praying successfully with people unless we have a real love for them. Therefore, anyone spending time with or praying with the same-sex attracted individual needs to feel comfortable working with them. Unless I truly feel, “There but for the grace of God go I,” our truly being of help is in serious question.

Maybe you’ve noticed? While God does answer our prayers, He rarely answers them when and how we want. We want to see the man or woman set free from same-sex attraction now! But God’s timing is perfect and His methods are perfect. Therefore, wait on Him to work in the life of your son, daughter, co-worker, neighbor, brother, or sister in Christ. During the waiting time, strengthen your faith and trust in the Lord. He hears and He is there to help you.

Remember to see Christ as your hope, knowing “That all things work together for good to them that love God, to them that are called according to His purpose.” (Romans 8:28) As a believer, you can achieve the same results that Jesus did during His earthly ministry. Jesus said, “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.” (John 14:12) Yes, today, greater works can be accomplished – if we cease not in our prayers.

  • Intercede with God for the destruction of the stronghold of same-sex attraction to be eradicated.
  • Present the person to God as one for whom Christ has died.
  • Pray for God to place a wall of protection around the person.

Remember, “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.” (2 Corinthians 10:4)

“Father, Your Word is true and I believe it. Therefore, in the Name of Jesus, I believe in my heart and say with my mouth that the Word of God prevails over my loved one. Your Word says that You will pour out Your Spirit upon my offspring and Your blessing upon my descendants. I believe and say that my loved ones are wise and that they take heed to and are the fruit of godly instruction and correction. So, I commit them into Your keeping, in Jesus’ Name.”

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 26
Pastor Robert Kuyper, Founder of the Transforming Congregations movement within the United Methodist Church, first Executive Board President of His Way Out Ministries, and author of Crisis in Ministry (A Wesleyan Response to the Gay Rights Movement), a book in which he captures the Church’s dilemma regarding the issue of homosexuality, is Pastor Phillip Lee’s guest on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast. Pastor Kuyper offers a strong challenge to the Church to wake up and take its rightful place as ambassadors for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and specifically, to the world of sexual sinners.

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The Crisis in Ministry with Robert Kuyper – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

such-were-some-of-you

The documentary Such Were Some of You takes you on a journey that begins with a contrast between the opinions of people on the street and experts in theology and psychology. Then we hear from over two dozen former homosexuals, telling their stories of, how their homosexual confusion developed during childhood and adolescence, what the gay lifestyle was really like, how Jesus Christ brought them out of darkness, and what He has done since to bring healing to those broken areas that laid the foundation for homosexual confusion.

Such Were Some of You was inspired by the passage in 1st Corinthians 6:11 that declares that in Jesus’ day there was a population who had been so transformed by their relationship with Him that they were no longer “same-sex attracted” or at the very least, actively homosexual. They had found such a measure of healing from the brokenness and strongholds associated with what we now call homosexuality that they no longer considered themselves homosexual, nor did they act in that way.

Such Were Some of You features interviews with a “cloud of present-day witnesses” who testify to the same life-transforming power of Jesus Christ. They describe the development of their same-sex attractions, what the gay lifestyle was like, what their conversion process was like, and the various ways that Jesus has brought healing to their broken places.

Such Were Some of You lays out the facts about healing homosexual confusion and rejoices in the reality that Jesus Christ can heal anyone from anything while providing grace for the journey.

You can purchase a streaming version of Such Were Some of You at Christianbook.com or purchase a DVD from Mastering Life online store.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 18
Part two of our very special podcast with Marylee Shrider, Executive Director of Right To Life Kern County. The Mission of Right To Life Kern County is to promote respect for the sanctity of life from conception to natural death.

This part of our discussion focuses on Life. For each and every faithful follower of Christ, all life is sacred and to be celebrated. As society and the Church continue to ascertain the rightness or wrongness of abortion, we would all do well to remember the words of Ravi Zacharias…”How can we truly discuss human rights when we are denying people the right to live.”

Listen online or download the podcast.

RTLKC Special with Marylee Shrider pt2
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Phillip Lee & Marylee Shrider

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 17
On this very special podcast, Pastor Phillip Lee is the guest of Marylee Shrider, Executive Director of Right To Life Kern County on her Podcast tilled Voices For Life. Part Two of our discussion will take place on the His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast. You won’t want to miss it.

Join us as we discuss: Is the Church availing itself of resources in order to be equipped and ready to share the truth about same-sex attraction to a world that desperately needs it? What does Scripture say about the nature of humanity in particular and what has the lack of Biblical clarity on this issue in too many churches cost us as a Judeo-Christian culture? Is The Church the last bastion of hope for the wounded, hurting, and broken?

Listen online or download the podcast.

RTLKC Special with Marylee Shrider pt1
– Download MP3 –

Phillip Lee and Marylee Shrider

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, who passed away on December 25, 2015, at the age of 83, was considered one of the most influential psychiatrists of his generation. Many years ago I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Spitzer and ultimately became one of his case studies with regard to freedom from same-sex attraction. The article below, titled “Setting the Matter Straight,” capsulizes much of Dr. Spitzer’s study. My condolences to his wife and children.

In 1973, Dr. Robert Spitzer, Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, opposed the prevailing beliefs in his profession by leading the effort to remove homosexuality from the list of psychiatric disorders. For this, liberals and the gay community respected him, even as it angered many of his psychiatric colleagues.

Ultimately, a controversy erupted when Dr. Spitzer reported the results of a study that asked an important scientific question: Is it really true that no one who was predominantly homosexual for many years could strongly diminish his homosexual feelings and substantially develop heterosexual potential?

What Dr. Spitzer found was that, in the unique sample he studied, many made substantial changes in sexual arousal and fantasy and not merely in behavior. Even subjects who made a less substantial change believed it to be extremely beneficial.

I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Spitzer at the American Psychiatric Association Convention in Chicago in May 2000 as well as at a conference in San Diego. Ultimately, Dr. Spitzer knows me much better than I know him. I was one of the 200 people Dr. Spitzer interviewed for his study.

After my second interview with Dr. Spitzer, with my pastor and secretary at the time sitting in on the interview over speakerphone, Dr. Spitzer volunteered, “It’s undeniably true you have experienced a major and significant change in your life.”

Thankfully and gratefully, I am far from the only individual that has experienced change. God has not been silent to the cries of men and women wanting freedom from homosexual feelings and behavior. Many have experienced the power of Christ to address the deep needs of both men and women trapped in same-gender struggles. Through the atonement of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, God has, is, and will be delivering people from the snare of homosexuality.

However, today, we are still considering the question: Can a person experience a change of not just behavior, but desire related to homosexuality? The answer to the question is accurately wrapped up in an answer from 2004, which was prior to Dr. Spitzer’s change of heart on his study. Yet the data still bears up under scrutiny and has not been removed from the psychological journals.

For an important, if not vital, view from Dr. Spitzer, please watch the following:


from YouTube, An interview with Dr. Robert Spitzer

How is it we have dismissed or forgotten that He is God; The One that spoke the universe into existence, The One that has enabled the lame to walk and the blind to see, and The One that has hung each star in its’ place. Is healing a person’s sexual orientation too big for Him?

The question, “Can homosexuals really change?” is a fair and monumentally important question. The men and women that have exited homosexuality span a wide variety of ages, personalities, occupations, nationalities, and church denominations. Some of these men and women have been free from homosexual involvement for ten or twenty years. They are not just suppressing their homosexual or lesbian longings. There has been a true resolution of this issue in their lives.

While it continues to be taught and preached that God can do the impossible, do we still believe it?

When an individual who was once controlled by his sin is now free from that sin and engaged in a new kind of life pattern, hasn’t change occurred?

Oswald Chambers states in My Utmost for His Highest, “A man is a slave for obeying unless behind his obedience there is recognition of a holy God.” I find it remarkable that God never insists on our obedience, but when we truly know Him, we want to instantly obey Him and live according to His perfect will from sunup to sundown.

There is no identical plan of action for healing from same-sex attraction. No quick fix or one-two-three formula. Ultimately, a person’s freedom from same-sex attraction comes from a Person, rather than a method or even a program. That Person is, has always been, and will always be, Jesus Christ.

Such Were Some of You is a documentary that takes you on a journey which begins with a contrast between the opinions of people on the street and experts in theology and psychology. Then over two dozen former homosexuals tell their stories.

For further information about Such Were Some of You, or for a preview of this documentary, please visit SuchWereSomeOfYou.org, also available through MasteringLife.org

Many years ago, I said goodbye to homosexuality and the gay identity. All Christians face the decision of accepting or rejecting Christ’s Lordship. Coming out of homosexuality required deep emotional healing and a restructuring of my whole identity. As our Creator, God is the only One who knows exactly how to restore our personality. I remember so vividly, when coming to know Christ at the age of 35, what it meant for the first time in my life to be a man. But more importantly, what it meant to be a godly man. I liked it then. I like it still. Or, as I have heard it sung in a wonderful old song, “I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now.”

At the end of the day, science can never be used to trump God’s Word. Yes, change is possible. The interesting thing about the change process is that change is not our ultimate goal. Change is what results as a person pursues a more important and compelling goal: knowing, loving and “beholding” Jesus.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

Homosexual advocates have been very creative in their interpretation of Scripture in an attempt to validate the practice of homosexuality.

Many homosexual advocates frequently impart their own personal meanings into biblical texts in an attempt to make personal experience the ultimate test of truth rather than the Truth and Authority of Scripture. However, the Bible does not condone the practice of homosexuality in any of its forms, but in fact, condemns it as a damaging sin.

To those that state “The Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality,” or “The Bible doesn’t say anything about homosexuality,” they usually don’t mean that homosexuality is never mentioned in the Bible, what they normally mean is one of the following: Homosexuality as practiced or viewed today never appears in Scripture, or even though the Bible does speak against homosexuality, what the Bible says does not apply to present-day situations.

I remain amazed at how some people today make surprising claims about the biblical attitude toward homosexual behavior. As an example, there are those who would have us believe certain biblical characters were homosexual. Not one individual is named in the entire Word of God as a homosexual. While there are those that would have us believe that Cain and Abel, David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, even Jesus and the “beloved disciple, or Paul and Timothy,” were alleged homosexual pairs, is at best a flimsy, if not a quantum leap by some pro-gay apologists to claim biblical support for their cause and way of living.

When considered objectively, the Scriptures are not silent concerning homosexuality. Within the totality of Scripture, the practice of homosexuality is always mentioned as a violation of God’s divine intent for human sexuality. The major references to homosexuality in Scripture are: Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Genesis 19; 2 Peter 2:7 and Jude 7. Pro-gay apologists and theologians have interpreted each of these texts in such a way as to eliminate their applicability to the current ethical and moral debate on the issue.

The Holy Scriptures clearly and repeatedly condemn any violation of God’s divine order, whether through immoralities (1 Corinthians 6:16-20) or through a perversion of sexual roles (Romans 1:18-32; Leviticus 18:27; 20:13). Today, The Church is continually being challenged to adjust its beliefs and theology regarding sex, to bend, if not bow down to, opinion polls and the many that have embraced science, feelings, notions, and experience over The Truth and Authority of Scripture.

There is no way biblically to arrive at any other conclusion than the practice of homosexuality is a perversion of divine order. Period. Furthermore, to stand and condemn homosexuality in all its forms is not a symptom of homophobia or narrow-minded bigotry. It is to stand on the side of righteousness and truth and to be in obedience to the One who said, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:16) For The Church, God the Father is the only One we should seek to please.

Today, far too many are dismissing and departing from the scriptural model of Christian sexuality. Almost on a weekly basis, I hear, “I know what the Scriptures have to say about living within God’s holy boundary lines regarding sexual expression; however, I am going to follow my feelings and emotions rather than The Truth I know.” What has happened to the fact and reality that God is Holy and calls all of His followers to holiness which points directly to the fact that He is a God to be feared as well.

Christians are the temple of the living God. God has said: “I will be their God and they will be my people. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor. 6:16-18) Considering God’s promises, every Christ-follower must pursue godliness and holiness and abstain from anything and everything that seeks to contaminate body and spirit.

The Church has always been, as it remains today, God’s vehicle to preserve His Truth and defend His Church against error (Matthew 5:13; 1 Timothy 3:15). Today, other immoralities are aggressively pounding away at the Church’s door, such as pornography, abortion, rampant divorce, and cohabitation. Are we, The Church, to give way before these because the general population approves them?

Yes, today, it really does seem that anything goes. There is no right or wrong. Not only this, but many would have us believe that personal morals are equated with legal rights. Today, sex is looked on more and more as a constitutionally guaranteed right – a right to fulfill one’s biological drives however one sees fit. When we commit sexual sin, which is war against our own body, as well as sin against God, we bring negative consequences upon our soul and spirit. The Apostle Peter made this point in 1 Peter 2:11, when he pleaded: “I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.”

As a Christian, meaning I embrace the totality and Authority of Scripture, I could never as a faithful follower of Christ Jesus, encourage, endorse, promote, or validate the practice of homosexuality in any form. To do so would be a blatant misuse and contradiction of Scripture.

History dictates that what we, The Church, tolerate today will be practiced tomorrow. With holiness and truth as our motivation we, The Church, must be very careful not to adopt the customs of the world.

Ultimately, when a notion, theory, feeling, or personal opinion contradicts the Holy Scriptures, it should be rejected.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Anne Paulk

Season 3, Episode 14
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Very Special Guest Anne Paulk, author of Restoring Sexual Identity, and Executive Director of Restored Hope Network.

Anne shares testimony of her personal journey out of the brokenness of same-sex attraction and we discuss in detail proposed bills in California that, if passed into law, will greatly limit, if not prohibit, men and women receiving the guidance, encouragement, and support needed to walk away from the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Today, it truly seems, the real menace of society is not those who oppose immorality but those who promote it. While we cannot, we must not, take the law into our own hands, we can, we will, we must, refuse to allow immorality to become commonplace and acceptable. This is not gay bashing. No one should be labeled hateful, a bigot, or homophobic for standing upon the Authority of Scripture and challenging or opposing the legitimacy of homosexual practice. Scripturally-speaking, it is impossible to validate, promote, or affirm homosexual practice from Scripture.

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Restoring Sexual Identity: Banned with Anne Paulk – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Clayton Ford

Season 4, Episode 3
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Dr. Clayton Ford, Interim Pastor of Chinese Community Church, San Diego, CA, author of Called to High Adventure: Living the Spirit-Filled Life

Pastor Phillip and Dr. Ford continue their discussion, observing that no matter how strongly we may be opposed to the homosexual agenda (and all of its aspects), we are first of all called to be Christians who have the privilege of representing Christ Jesus to all communities of the world, regardless of color, class, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. Yet why are so many choosing to remain silent?

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Representing the Culture or Representing Christ with Clayton Ford pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

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