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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 10
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

A church is a family, with all of its diversity, and no two churches are exactly the same. Today, when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, congregations appear to be all over the map. Gay affirming, fearful, gay bashing, and complacent churches, as well as churches that are still sold out to Christ’s way. Why do you suppose the Church has become so diverse on this matter?

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Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt1 – Download MP3 –

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Greetings from Trinidad and Tobago!

I arrived late last night safe ‘n sound with all flights operating as scheduled. PTL!

Are the flights getting longer or am I just getting older? Never mind!

Actually, my arrival was preceded by a wonderful article written by journalist, Joel Juien, with The Guardian Newspaper here in Port of Spain, capital of the two-island nation of Trinidad and Tobago. The article titled ‘Reach out in love’ to the LGBTQI community appeared in last Sunday’s edition and I am thrilled with the article content. Why?

Because it is fair, balanced, clothed in Christ’s love and ACCURATE.

The issue of how the Church relates to persons from the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex (LGBTQI) community has been a primary focus of The Guardian Newspaper for the past couple of weeks.

While the article does offer the personal path I took on leaving homosexuality in October of 1985, a great deal of attention is dedicated to finding “a new lease on life,” “finding love in the Church” and “the Bible instructs us to respond to people with compassion, hope and help.”

As yet, I have not found a web link to the article but I will continue trying and post it should I locate a link.

Ultimately, the article concludes by offering, “Of course, as followers of Christ, the practice of homosexuality should never be encouraged or affirmed. However, when any man or woman has the courage and the integrity to disclose their battle with same-sex attraction, that in and of itself should never be taken lightly and ultimately viewed as an opportunity to share Christ’s love and acceptance for and to the individual.”

“Each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus can take part in changing history, by reaching out in love, forgiveness and understanding because the crisis of homosexuality will not be solved by politics, science or the media. The solution is in your hands and mine, within our hearts, inside our minds and most definitely by our actions.”

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 9
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries for part 2 of their discussion on Homosexuality and the Family. What does the Bible say about homosexual practice? Do men and women choose to be gay? What about the “I am a gay Christian” statement? Why do some still question if change is possible? Is the ultimate goal for the homosexual, heterosexuality?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 8
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries. Carol shares her testimony of how homosexuality impacted her marriage and family. We also discuss how parents begin to pick up the pieces after learning of a child’s same-sex attraction. Critically important for families to understand the difference between “acceptance and approval.”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 7
Join Pastor Phillip Lee with ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, for part two of their discussion, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Listen online or download the podcast.

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Happy New Year 2018

At His Way Out Ministries we believe we have a mandate and a calling to bring understanding to the confusing issue of homosexuality. Indeed, it is past due to set many records straight and provide answers to key questions, separating fact from fiction. Are people born with same-sex attraction? Did God make them that way? Did they choose to have same-sex attraction? Does God really love those who experience homosexual feelings? How do we respond to same-sex attracted family members, friends, co-workers and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?

Therefore, His Way Out Ministries remains dedicated to communicating a message of hope that change is possible for those struggling with same-gender desires, we refuse to be silent about the truth, and we remain steadfast in believing people have a choice with regard homosexual practice.

His Way Out Ministries remains committed to equipping churches and Christians to minister the truth and grace of Jesus to men and women impacted by homosexuality. This includes equipping them to hold to all that Scripture teaches, avoid partial gospels and understand how Scripture instructs us to respond to people with compassion, hope and help.

I remain convinced if Jesus were here today He would reach out in love to men and women struggling with same-gender attraction and require His Church to treat the same with dignity and respect. I also believe that Jesus would seek and work towards providing a safe environment for those struggling with same-gender attraction, an environment we are purposed to continue providing at His Way Out Ministries, without fear of condemnation or persecution.

Of course, as followers of Christ, the practice of homosexuality should never be encouraged or affirmed. However, when any man or woman has the courage and the integrity to disclose their battle with same-gender attraction, that in and of itself should never be taken lightly and ultimately viewed as an opportunity to share Christ’s love and acceptance for and to the individual. The delicate balance is our willingness as Ambassadors for Christ to keep the lines of communication open and enter into a relationship without compromising truth or love. It means not backing down from the truth of Scripture and remaining dedicated to reaching men and women in a Christ-like way. Since love is basic to Christianity, His love must be extended to all people – including those that struggle with homosexuality; that, I remain convinced, is exactly what Jesus would do.

Each of us can either be part of the problem by not taking any action, or we can participate in changing history by reaching out in love, forgiveness, and understanding. Ultimately, the crisis of homosexuality will not be solved by politics, science, or the media. The solution is in your hands and mine, within our hearts, inside our minds, and most definitely by our actions. Ultimately, as we are on the threshold of a new year, all of us at His Way Out Ministries believe the Scriptures contain the final truth and authority concerning all matters of morality and present Jesus Christ as the One who has the power to release people from the snare of same-gender attraction.

It is therefore our goal and vision to proclaim this truth of freedom through the Lord Jesus Christ in 2018.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday, January 6, 2018
For ‘Ladies’ Only

For ‘Ladies’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

For ‘Ladies’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Saturday, January 27, 2018
Friends and Family

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-sex attraction.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


January 21 – 30, 2018
Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana, South America!

Looking forward to being in our Caribbean Office, developing relationships with churches of various denominations and partnering with our friends at Operation Restoration in Guyana to facilitate an Educational Seminar titled, “Affirming Truth Not Culture” (Homosexuality and the Church).


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 6
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Listen online or download the podcast.

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 5
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

In part 2 of our discussion, Stephen and I discuss, Why this book, and why now? Does God condemn a person for being same-sex attracted? What does it mean to live a life free from labels?

Stephen offers great insight and truth in “understanding homosexuality.”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 4
Phillip is joined by Stephen Black, Chairman of Restored Hope Network, Executive Director of First Stone Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK and author of his new book titled, Freedom Realized: Finding Freedom From Homosexuality and Living a Life Free From Labels.

Stephen and I discuss, Does the Bible say change is possible? Why are some still believing the “born that way” notion/theory? Is transformation instantaneous or a process? Why is it so important to have a Christian support network?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Freedom and Change with Stephen Black pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Wounded, Broken, and Hurting Humanity

Second Timothy 4:3 says, “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

Today, attempts by pro-gay theologians and pro-gay apologists to revise the historic teachings of the Church with regard to homosexual practice are relentless. Admittedly, their effort to persuade the clergy and theologians of the moral legitimacy of homosexual conduct has not been carried out in a vacuum. Battles continue, as those who favor homosexual practice promote the notion that there is no clear answer to the issue. There are even those that attempt to persuade under the banners of ‘love’ and ‘commitment’ that homosexual relationships be justified.

Today, there are powerful forces at work with the enemy having accomplished much by utilizing his divide and conquer tactics. Clearly, many are now worshipping another Jesus. A Jesus which has been created by man that requires absolutely no sacrifice, makes no demands of obedience, and is completely and totally silent when it comes to sexual sin.

Scripturally speaking, what do we know about homosexuality?

  • We are created beings and created with a specific intent. (Genesis 1:26-2:23) God’s blueprint for human sexuality as found in Genesis 1 and 2, clearly establishes that from the beginning God had a divine intent for human sexuality with well-defined holy boundary lines to live within regarding sexual expression.
  • God’s divine intent for human sexuality is fulfilled within the covenant of a monogamous and heterosexual union. (Matthew 19:4-6)
  • We are a fallen race, and the Fall has marred every part of our experience, including our sexual experience. (Romans 5:12-19)
  • Homosexuality is a manifestation of fallen nature and it violates created intent. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
  • Homosexuals are redeemable and change is possible. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Nowhere within the totality of Scripture will you find even one positive statement about homosexual practice. Every time homosexuality is mentioned it is always mentioned as a behavior in which no man or woman is to practice. Difficult as this standard is to obey; it is the calling of Christ for all His followers, including those with same-sex attractions and desires.

The problem with pro-gay theologians and pro-gay apologists is their theorizing and speculating on what Scripture does not say about homosexuality while a true faithful follower of Christ Jesus stands upon the clarity and authority of Scripture regarding homosexual practice. Revisionists can justify virtually any type of sexual relationship, including those traditionally and historically considered immoral.

Revisionists have been quite successful in confusing compassion with acceptance of homosexual practice. Those promoting ‘the liberating power of love,’ continue to blur the lines by citing ‘some of God’s Word’ as too repressive. However, Jesus Himself repeatedly affirmed the relevance and importance of moral law:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:17-18)

Ultimately, any effort to redefine homosexual practice (in any form and to any degree) as acceptable and consistent with biblical faith constitutes an attack upon the very foundations of the Christian faith and Church.

As revisionist attacks will no doubt continue, faithful followers of the teachings of Christ must continue to counter any and all attempts to make homosexuality morally acceptable. Not to do so would undermine the traditional and historic Christian understanding regarding sexual morality.

The Gospel message that Jesus preached was and is a message of repentance and surrender. Like Jesus, His followers are to suffer the rejection of the world. We are intended to be at odds with the thinking and attitudes of this world. To water down the Gospel to make it acceptable is to lose the truth and life of God’s message.

In a world that is rapidly accepting everything and tolerating anything, faithful followers of Christ Jesus must be extremely careful. Many false teachers exist today with their underlying message being homosexuality is acceptable for anyone who wants to engage in it – a direct contradiction of Scripture.

Today, virtually nothing in society promotes the truth about homosexuality. The lies that homosexuality is a fulfilling, normal and healthy alternative saturate the media. Many are tenacious and relentless in elevating same-sex desire to the level of a moral norm.

The Church is presently faced with a challenge of significance of which is nearly impossible to exaggerate. Is ‘tolerance’ to be extended without limitation to any and all kinds of sexual expression? Is any kind of sexual relationship scripturally permissible as long as it is ‘consensual’? Does it all come down to a matter of personal taste?

I still believe the Church remains God’s vehicle to reach wounded, broken, hurting humanity. Therefore, may we, His Church:

  • Affirm the biblical position that God loves all persons, with homosexuality being one sin among many others and that the Holy Spirit is available to transform all persons – including the same-sex attracted individual.
  • Minister to persons with unwanted same-sex attraction and their families as partners in Christ’s work of healing and transformation.
  • Call the Church to recognize and confess its need for repentance of its welcoming and affirming of homosexual practice in the Church.

“He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8)

Merry Christmas and A Blessed New Year!

All of us at His Way Out Ministries truly covet your prayers. You make it possible for His Way Out Ministries to reach around the world with a message of hope in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me.” (John 14:6)

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday, December 2, 2017
For ‘Ladies’ Only

For ‘Ladies’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

For ‘Ladies’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


No Meeting Scheduled for December Due To Christmas Holiday
Friends and Family

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-sex attraction.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


World AIDS Day – December 1, 2017

Every person knows or will know at least one individual infected by HIV/AIDS. That means every church in the United States and around the world will come face-to-face with this on-going tragedy. It has been said, “Give me one good reason why I should care.” With regard to the HIV/AIDS pandemic, there are millions of reasons to care.

In my personal travels to churches of all denominations, when I share where we remain in the global crisis with regard to HIV/AIDS, those in attendance are shocked to hear present-day facts. I, for one, will continue to hope and pray that Christians will play a more vital role in turning back the tide of this pandemic.

I truly believe, in this moment, God has called us to respond. God has given us Biblical principles to halt HIV infections and to bring hope to those whose lives have been devastated by this deadly disease. The Church can be a powerful tool in preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS and ministering hope to those infected.

When I meet people with HIV/AIDS, it doesn’t matter to me how they got it. All that matters is that they are human beings whom God loves so much and asks us to love too. Ultimately, we must talk about HIV/AIDS. Why? Because this is about people and not just an issue. In the name of decency, true compassion, humanity, and the sanctity of life (all life), the truth cannot and must not be ignored or suppressed with what continues to unfold regarding HIV/AIDS. Peoples’ lives are not made better physically, psychologically, spiritually or socially as a result of ignoring or unwillingness to talk about a real, true crisis of our time.

HIV/AIDS is a disease that impacts real people and their loved ones who must learn to face this together because no one can face it alone. People facing HIV/AIDS do better when they know what to expect on the journey. They do best when they don’t have to find their way alone. The journey begins with “talking about it.”

Without fail, every individual and every family member I have ever met impacted by HIV/AIDS asks, “How do you get through this?” What they are really saying is, “I don’t know how I’m going to survive this.”

I pray that you will see “no one except Jesus” (Matthew 17:8), holding out His arms to assure you of His love and understanding. He alone can meet your needs, wipe away the tears, heal the wounds, comfort the hurts, and cleanse.

With HIV/AIDS comes the very real resolution of emotional issues such as anger, loneliness, guilt, humiliation and fear.

Are we, God’s people, not compelled to share His love with others? Personally, I can’t think of any group that needs to experience His love more than people infected with and affected by HIV/AIDS. Jesus would listen to them, laugh with them, and weep with them. He would always be with them. Their fathers and mothers might forsake them, but He would never do that.

While HIV/AIDS is seen by many as a disease of death, it can also teach how to really live. Indeed, God is bigger than all of life’s problems and troubles. He is bigger than AIDS.

I, for one, remain determined to continue raising visibility and openness about the disease as a way of reducing the stigma and calling the Church worldwide to a Christ-like response to the heartbreaking faces of AIDS. The need and the opportunity remains great for the Christian community to take the lead in responding to the HIV/AIDS crisis with conviction and compassion.

Christian, you are uniquely qualified to bear witness to the world that the One who defeated death offers us the principles and the power to defeat HIV/AIDS.

Today, there remains a world crying out for hope.

Jesus continues to call His Church worldwide to respond to the HIV/AIDS pandemic through a message of Christian hope and compassion. HIV/AIDS is not the end.

People facing HIV/AIDS do better when they know they don’t have to find their way alone.


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

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