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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Clayton Ford

Season 3, Episode 24
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his special guest Dr. Clayton Ford, Interim Pastor of Chinese Community Church, San Diego, CA, author of Called to High Adventure: Living the Spirit-Filled Life and National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries as they discuss how believing the Bible and trusting in its inerrancy (there are no errors), places each person on the right path of God’s absolute truth regarding His view and holy boundary lines regarding sexual behavior.

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Trusting God’s Absolute Truth with Clayton Ford pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Pete Baker

Season 5, Episode 1
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God Church.

If Christians are to, as Peter encouraged in 2 Peter 3:18, “grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” then men and women must be taught about themselves (which includes our sexuality) and about Him.

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Disciple Making with Pete Baker
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 5
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt2
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All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Joel Splawn

Season 5, Episode 4
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Joel Splawn, Senior Pastor, Kern Christian Church, Lake Isabella, CA.

Is there any allowance in Scripture for homosexual practice? If I disagree with homosexual practice does that make me a bigot, hateful, or homophobic? Is change possible for the homosexual? How should a pastor lead his congregation to effectively love homosexuals? There was a time when objective moral truth was acknowledged in America as something that could be found in, and drawn from the Bible.

Pastor Joel also shares in great detail his own battle with same-sex attraction and how powerfully God moved in his life enabling him to be an overcomer.

Listen online or download the podcast.

In Truth and Love with Joel Splawn pt1
– Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 6, Episode 9
Special Guest: Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God, Bakersfield, CA.

To develop a Biblical view of sexual behavior is to affirm the Bible’s inerrancy and its authority over believers’ lives regardless of what society says because when God speaks a word on any topic He speaks the final word.

A Crisis in the Church with Pete Baker pt2
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Pastor Phillip Lee and Pastor Pete Baker

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 6, Episode 8
Special Guest: Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God, Bakersfield, CA.

The Church has, does, and probably will always face crises, from without or within. Therefore, it seems the question for us is not whether the Church faces a crisis, but rather, what types of crises does she face today, and is it correct to identify homosexuality as one of them?

A Crisis in the Church with Pete Baker pt1
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Pastor Phillip Lee and Pastor Pete Baker

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Wayne Blakely

Season 4, Episode 11
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Special Guest, Wayne Blakely, retired Co-Founder of Coming Out Ministries and Director of Know His Love Ministries as they continue the discussion around:

  • The importance of the Church walking alongside men and women desiring to address and overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.
  • Does the term “ex-gay” properly identify a man or woman who has left the gay identity and community?
  • How should we define “deliverance” from homosexuality and what does that look like?
  • Why is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 such an extremely important Scripture passage regarding homosexual practice?

Wayne shares “after 40 years of involvement in homosexuality and then surrendering his life to Christ,” what the process – the journey – has been like.

Listen online or download the podcast.

And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt2 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

Where there’s confusion, there’s a crying need for clarity. And since few subjects are as fraught with confusion as the subject of homosexuality, this interview with Pastor Phillip Lee, “Such Were Some of You,” provides a welcome and much-needed voice. The podcast is a direct, easy-view and listen to the many subjects this issue often raises and will leave you better equipped to discuss same-sex behavior from a Biblical perspective.


Here’s the Youtube video link and video is also available on Rumble. Audio is available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and iHeart

Not always, but too often, “evolving and/or enlightened” points to or depicts an individual that views same-sex attracted men and women as born gay and while reaching out with compassion consciously dismisses and sacrifices holiness and righteousness in the process.

Today, within the Christian community, there is a great divide over homosexuality. While some in the Christian community state that homosexuality is an abomination and completely reject homosexual men and women, others believe homosexuality is wonderful and encourage homosexual behavior. Those encouraging homosexual practice have all but reinvented theology with their newfound theology being “pro-gay theology.”

For the most part, those revising the Scriptures to support homosexual practice have largely revised certain passages in light of “new and supposed” scientific evidence. Such as, ‘We now understand that people are born homosexual, and therefore we should endorse both homosexual behavior and relationships.’ Any attempt to state the Scriptures clearly communicate homosexual men and women are born that way is a blatant misuse and contradiction of Scripture.

Frankly, any endorsement or condemnation of homosexuality misses the mark entirely. Today, the Church remains in desperate need of clarifying its view of the individual struggling with same-gender attraction.

Today, while many church and denominational doctrines still teach and promote the biblical view of sexuality – marriage is meant for one man and one woman, and all sex outside of marriage is incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct – others are lowering the bar and conforming to a rapidly changing social trend of the acceptance of homosexuality and incorporating those beliefs into church doctrine. Revising theology on the topic of homosexuality has become fashionable citing ‘old ways are not applicable to new understandings; therefore, we must conform to a more modern view.

Many churches and denominations have thankfully repented of their harsh treatment of homosexuals but have also allowed the pendulum to swing to the opposite extreme – acceptance of both sin and sinner. How is it that today many just find it easier to go to the extreme left or right, rather than committing to finding a Biblical resolution to the crisis we face regarding homosexuality and related issues?

As a result, the divide that most definitely exists within the Church regarding homosexuality continues to grow. If you are not condemning then you are immediately put in the liberal camp. Very few churches have yet to realize there is another way. Neither condemnation nor acceptance of their sin is helpful to the person caught in the dilemma of same-gender attraction. The way out of the intense battle of homosexuality is often a long process that most definitely requires love, understanding, and discipleship from and by the Church.

Having once sat on the other side of the fence (Gay is good!), I can personally attest to the fact and reality the Church has treated homosexual persons abominably. In many, many respects, we the Church owe the gay community an enormous apology. That said, instead of repenting to the gay community, many churches and denominations are throwing the baby out with the bath water by revising theology without truly understanding what drives homosexual behavior.

Instead of taking advantage of becoming educated about same-gender attraction, they are succumbing to political pressure and giving in to social trends by endorsing homosexual behavior. The bottom line – everyone loses! While an abundance of homosexual men and women think they are finally getting what they want and deserve, will this tactic truly give them what they need?

While I have stated it before, I believe it needs repeating – The Church must not underestimate itself, it holds the only answer there is to this difficult issue. While we continue to say that God can do the impossible, do we still believe it?

Ultimately, by pursuing acceptance through revising theology on homosexuality, special legislation, and the relentless spin(s) on homosexuality by the media, men and women struggling with homosexuality and lesbianism will never, ever experience the love and peace they so desperately seek and deserve.

There is no doubt homosexual activists have devised a brilliant strategic plan to gain greater and greater acceptance. Much of the plan has been based upon and remains based upon ‘that they were born with same-gender attraction and change is not possible.’

Tragically, the strategy has been and is working.

We can and must reverse current trends regarding homosexuality through education and understanding. Indeed, acceptance is a vital issue to all people and we must be accepting of the wounded person, but we can never accept a theology or a way of life that flies in the face of God’s Word. Frankly, to lack compassion in this area is to be out of step with God.

We cannot and we must not allow any misguided desire to extend mercy to potentially cause us, The Church, to surrender our right to judge right from wrong. It is time to bring understanding and clarity to the issue of homosexuality. It is only through understanding and compassion that we can resolve the many controversies and confusion surrounding homosexuality. It is up to you and me to reach out in love realizing the homosexual issue will never be solved by politics, science, or the media.

Ultimately, revising theology to support or endorse homosexual behavior in any form or to any degree minimizes The Church as the last bastion of hope to the man or woman with unwanted same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Wayne Blakely

Season 4, Episode 10
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and his Special Guest, Wayne Blakely, retired Co-Founder of Coming Out Ministries and Director of Know His Love Ministries as they discuss:

  • The importance of the Church walking alongside men and women desiring to address and overcome unwanted same-sex attraction.
  • Does the term “ex-gay” properly identify a man or woman who has left the gay identity and community?
  • How should we define “deliverance” from homosexuality and what does that look like?
  • Why is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 such an extremely important Scripture passage regarding homosexual practice?

Wayne shares “after 40 years of involvement in homosexuality and then surrendering his life to Christ,” what the process – the journey – has been like.

Listen online or download the podcast.

And Such Were Some of You with Wayne Blakely pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

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