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Even though same-sex marriage in now legal in America, it remains a radical social experiment.

Ultimately, it isn’t about whether or not gays and lesbians are nice people or good citizens. Frankly, some are and some aren’t, just like heterosexuals. It is not about whether gays and lesbians can be good, nurturing, loving parents. It is not even about whether or not gays and lesbians should be treated with respect and dignity. Every person deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.

Since government has redefined marriage to include same-sex marriage, is there any logical reason for us not to redefine marriage in other ways? There are those that are already demanding equality that promote polygamy or group marriage. If marriage can be redefined to include two men or two women, why not allow marriage between a man and four women, or a group of six or seven adults and their various children?

Today, a popular error that has been made and continues to be made by many, is the attempt to blur the lines with regard to Christian ethics making “love” an omnipotent spiritual quality which has the power to validate anything that is done in its name. Under this particular line of thinking, one could justify any type of relationship, including those considered unacceptable and incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct.

Is the perceived or even real presence of love the criterion for all relationships? Indeed, God is love – absolutely. But true love has boundaries that protect guide and show concern for its recipients. Ultimately, showing support for, and more importantly, standing upon The Authority of Scripture “for marriage between one man and one woman” is not intolerant.

There are no Biblical instructions for gay marriage because it was never God’s divine plan.

Within the same-sex marriage experiment, lesbian mothers are saying that a father is irrelevant to parenting; homosexual fathers say that a mother is irrelevant to parenting. But God says both a mother and a father are relevant to parenting. Is anyone truly serious in suggesting that two men can take the place of a mother’s love, or two women can equal a dad?

Today, especially in America, the words intolerant and discrimination are powerful words and often used to squash any opinion about moral behavior. In fact, not only is the demand today to keep our opinions to ourselves as to what people do, the equal demand is to affirm a long list of various lifestyles no matter how questionable or experimental.

Compassion, communication, and care must be exercised with regard to the same-sex marriage experiment. The enormous problem in American society is the frequent usage of our experience as a basis to interpret reality. Far too many think, I’m having this experience and enjoying it, so God Himself in particular and society as a whole had better jump on-board, get used to it and fit in around with what I’m doing. Do we as a society really have the right to redefine marriage so it is elastic enough to include any grouping of adults?

In the face of what is arguably one of the most damaging social experiments to ever be attempted in this country, the notion of a family with a father, mother and children, all living under the same roof, appears to be becoming a relic of a bygone era, at least in some quarters.

Gay marriage advocates will tell you that what children really need is two loving adults in their lives and that the sex of those adults doesn’t matter – the assumption being that mothers and fathers are interchangeable and optional. Our ultimate preference should always be a family comprised of one father and one mother. We cannot, we must not wrest children from the God-given format of family relationship without considering the possibilities of serious consequences.

Admittedly, a society, a compassionate society should always come to the aid of motherless and fatherless families. That said, a compassionate society should never, ever, intentionally create motherless and fatherless families. And that’s exactly what the experiment of same-sex marriage does.

God created man, woman, and marriage in that order. God set up the requirements and He also established clear boundaries.

Everything you need to know and understand about marriage is found in Mark 10:6-9. Keep in mind, Jesus was speaking in Mark 10.

“But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

The possible implications regarding same-sex marriage are profound. Yet some people of faith are asking: Is it really that big a deal?

If you believe in the traditional and Biblical truth of marriage and are convinced it is worth defending, then, yes, it is a very big deal.

Every faithful follower of Christ Jesus has the responsibility to stand for Christ, witnessing to His grace and power.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 11
Pastor Phillip Lee continues his discussion with Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

We must respond with unconditional love to individuals dealing with same-sex attraction, while at the same time, unwavering in our loyalty to God’s Word. It is imperative the Church affirm and defend the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Saturday March 10, 2018
There’s Something I Need To Tell You!

Pastor Phillip Lee will be conducting an educational workshop at Valley Baptist Church in Bakersfield, California entitled, “There’s Something I Need To Tell You! (When a Loved One Confesses They Are Homosexual)”

Issues that Pastor Lee will discuss include: What do you say and do when a loved one confesses they are homosexual? Scripturally-speaking, what do we know about homosexuality? Does it matter ‘why’ the person you love is homosexual? Going on as a parent. Setting boundaries. Testimonies. Understanding homosexuality.

As a Christian you are not just representing yourself to your loved one. As a Christian, you are representing Christ.

This workshop will offer practical steps and information to help you understand your loved one, guidance to keep the lines of communication open without compromising your beliefs, and present the Biblical position on homosexuality.

You can register online through the Valley Baptist Calendar page located HERE. Select “Open Registrations” and on the next page select “‘There’s Something I Need to Tell You’ Workshop”.

Save The Date – Saturday, March 10, 2018


Saturday, February 3, 2018
For ‘Ladies’ Only

For ‘Ladies’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

For ‘Ladies’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Saturday, February 24, 2018
Friends and Family

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-sex attraction.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Former Gay Activist Paves the Way to Peaceful Conversation

Homosexuality and gay marriage stand among perhaps the greatest defining cultural battles of our age. There’s no escaping the inevitable conversations – so how does a Christian respond with love and biblical truth without adding fuel to the fire?

Speaking of Homosexuality: Discussing the Issues with Kindness and Clarity by Joe Dallas

Drawing on nearly thirty years of counseling people struggling with homosexuality, former gay activist Joe Dallas takes readers through virtually every argument they are likely to hear in favor of normalizing homosexuality. He helps readers understand the views of LGBT people they may know and respond with clarity, confidence, and compassion. He knows the most effective ways to engage the subject on social media and in everyday encounters with guidelines for talking points, dialogue, approach, and tone, and even provides sample dialogue.

Speaking of Homosexuality: Discussing the Issues with Kindness and Clarity by Joe Dallas is available at Amazon.com.


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 10
Pastor Phillip Lee is joined by his special guest Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Senior Pastor of Rock Harbor Church here in Bakersfield.

A church is a family, with all of its diversity, and no two churches are exactly the same. Today, when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, congregations appear to be all over the map. Gay affirming, fearful, gay bashing, and complacent churches, as well as churches that are still sold out to Christ’s way. Why do you suppose the Church has become so diverse on this matter?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Acceptance and Approval with Brandon Holthaus pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Greetings from Trinidad and Tobago!

I arrived late last night safe ‘n sound with all flights operating as scheduled. PTL!

Are the flights getting longer or am I just getting older? Never mind!

Actually, my arrival was preceded by a wonderful article written by journalist, Joel Juien, with The Guardian Newspaper here in Port of Spain, capital of the two-island nation of Trinidad and Tobago. The article titled ‘Reach out in love’ to the LGBTQI community appeared in last Sunday’s edition and I am thrilled with the article content. Why?

Because it is fair, balanced, clothed in Christ’s love and ACCURATE.

The issue of how the Church relates to persons from the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex (LGBTQI) community has been a primary focus of The Guardian Newspaper for the past couple of weeks.

While the article does offer the personal path I took on leaving homosexuality in October of 1985, a great deal of attention is dedicated to finding “a new lease on life,” “finding love in the Church” and “the Bible instructs us to respond to people with compassion, hope and help.”

As yet, I have not found a web link to the article but I will continue trying and post it should I locate a link.

Ultimately, the article concludes by offering, “Of course, as followers of Christ, the practice of homosexuality should never be encouraged or affirmed. However, when any man or woman has the courage and the integrity to disclose their battle with same-sex attraction, that in and of itself should never be taken lightly and ultimately viewed as an opportunity to share Christ’s love and acceptance for and to the individual.”

“Each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus can take part in changing history, by reaching out in love, forgiveness and understanding because the crisis of homosexuality will not be solved by politics, science or the media. The solution is in your hands and mine, within our hearts, inside our minds and most definitely by our actions.”

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 9
Join Pastor Phillip Lee and Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries for part 2 of their discussion on Homosexuality and the Family. What does the Bible say about homosexual practice? Do men and women choose to be gay? What about the “I am a gay Christian” statement? Why do some still question if change is possible? Is the ultimate goal for the homosexual, heterosexuality?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 8
Pastor Phillip Lee welcomes Carol Wagstaff, founder of Living Stones Ministries. Carol shares her testimony of how homosexuality impacted her marriage and family. We also discuss how parents begin to pick up the pieces after learning of a child’s same-sex attraction. Critically important for families to understand the difference between “acceptance and approval.”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Family with Carol Wagstaff pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 7
Join Pastor Phillip Lee with ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, for part two of their discussion, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Listen online or download the podcast.

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt2 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Happy New Year 2018

At His Way Out Ministries we believe we have a mandate and a calling to bring understanding to the confusing issue of homosexuality. Indeed, it is past due to set many records straight and provide answers to key questions, separating fact from fiction. Are people born with same-sex attraction? Did God make them that way? Did they choose to have same-sex attraction? Does God really love those who experience homosexual feelings? How do we respond to same-sex attracted family members, friends, co-workers and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ?

Therefore, His Way Out Ministries remains dedicated to communicating a message of hope that change is possible for those struggling with same-gender desires, we refuse to be silent about the truth, and we remain steadfast in believing people have a choice with regard homosexual practice.

His Way Out Ministries remains committed to equipping churches and Christians to minister the truth and grace of Jesus to men and women impacted by homosexuality. This includes equipping them to hold to all that Scripture teaches, avoid partial gospels and understand how Scripture instructs us to respond to people with compassion, hope and help.

I remain convinced if Jesus were here today He would reach out in love to men and women struggling with same-gender attraction and require His Church to treat the same with dignity and respect. I also believe that Jesus would seek and work towards providing a safe environment for those struggling with same-gender attraction, an environment we are purposed to continue providing at His Way Out Ministries, without fear of condemnation or persecution.

Of course, as followers of Christ, the practice of homosexuality should never be encouraged or affirmed. However, when any man or woman has the courage and the integrity to disclose their battle with same-gender attraction, that in and of itself should never be taken lightly and ultimately viewed as an opportunity to share Christ’s love and acceptance for and to the individual. The delicate balance is our willingness as Ambassadors for Christ to keep the lines of communication open and enter into a relationship without compromising truth or love. It means not backing down from the truth of Scripture and remaining dedicated to reaching men and women in a Christ-like way. Since love is basic to Christianity, His love must be extended to all people – including those that struggle with homosexuality; that, I remain convinced, is exactly what Jesus would do.

Each of us can either be part of the problem by not taking any action, or we can participate in changing history by reaching out in love, forgiveness, and understanding. Ultimately, the crisis of homosexuality will not be solved by politics, science, or the media. The solution is in your hands and mine, within our hearts, inside our minds, and most definitely by our actions. Ultimately, as we are on the threshold of a new year, all of us at His Way Out Ministries believe the Scriptures contain the final truth and authority concerning all matters of morality and present Jesus Christ as the One who has the power to release people from the snare of same-gender attraction.

It is therefore our goal and vision to proclaim this truth of freedom through the Lord Jesus Christ in 2018.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday, January 6, 2018
For ‘Ladies’ Only

For ‘Ladies’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

For ‘Ladies’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


Saturday, January 27, 2018
Friends and Family

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-sex attraction.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries, Bakersfield Office.


January 21 – 30, 2018
Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana, South America!

Looking forward to being in our Caribbean Office, developing relationships with churches of various denominations and partnering with our friends at Operation Restoration in Guyana to facilitate an Educational Seminar titled, “Affirming Truth Not Culture” (Homosexuality and the Church).


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 3, Episode 6
Ministry partner and friend, Will Winn, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to discuss, “What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian?”

So much in our society is structured around couples. It’s often just assumed that adults will have a partner and that there is something odd about them if they don’t. However, it is remarkable how positive the New Testament is about singleness. In 1 Corinthians 7:7, Paul speaks of it as a ‘gift’ and Jesus says it is good “for those to whom it has been given.” (Matthew 19:11)

Listen online or download the podcast.

What Does It Mean to Be Single and Christian with Will Winn pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

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