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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Our sixth broadcast is titled “Where Does the Journey to Wholeness Begin?” The Christian’s journey to sexual wholeness begins when you put God on the throne instead of self.

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Today, with numbers increasing regarding individuals too afraid to talk about the societal shifts that have occurred and continue to unfold regarding homosexuality and related issues, I assure you, behind the scenes, it is a whole different game.

Based upon individuals and families contacting His Way Out Ministries and my travels through churches of various denominations here in America and overseas, congregation members, by in large, are not being informed, equipped, or educated on the complexities of same-sex attraction and related issues, and as a result are paying a very high price, if not feeling like failures.

Or, as one man shared with me recently, “We’re getting slammed due to a lack of knowledge and practical tools that would help us be more effective in reasoning with and reaching those that promote the ‘gay is good’ notion.”

Indeed, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” (Hosea 4:6)

It is an irrefutable fact homosexual activists are highly organized, have a strategic plan and are gaining public acceptance with regard to their beliefs and cause. Today, with everyone knowing at least one person who experiences same-sex attraction, why are we, the Church, still so ill-equipped to help those which are being held captive by the brokenness of same-sex attraction? Especially, when it comes to congregation members that are clearly and undeniably hungry to be educated and enlightened.

We are living in a time when Scriptural teaching and clarity regarding homosexual practice should be abundantly clear and unequivocal.

Today, no faithful follower of Christ Jesus should be puzzled or left wondering what the belief of their respective church is on the topic. However, many Christians are wondering because they’ve never once heard it addressed. Frankly, while this is most definitely a shame and beyond tragic, it does explain why many Christians are coming to the conclusion that matters of sexual morality are unimportant, and a Christian is left free to decide for himself what is acceptable and what is not.

The Apostle Paul states clearly he is “not ashamed of the Gospel because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes,” (Romans 1:6) yet far too many are withholding God’s truth. Is it fear, is it embarrassment causing some to steer away from truth and the unwillingness to step too deeply into it?

Whatever the cause, many Christians are becoming confused because they do not know what true Christianity is, what the Bible teaches and what is required of each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus largely because they are not being taught the Bible in its entirety.

Not only are believers falling into homosexual sin and legitimizing it but many within the uninformed Church are applauding them as they do. Laws have been changed, same-sex marriage is now legal throughout America and educational systems are becoming more tolerant of homosexual practice by falsely teaching pro-homosexual lessons through health education curriculum. With far too many churches and Christian organizations giving a friendly nod to gay ideology, making Isaiah’s famous warning more relevant than ever:

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness.” (Isaiah 5:20)

I, for one, continue to believe the Church remains God’s vehicle to reach wounded, broken, hurting humanity. In a world that is rapidly spinning toward accepting everything and tolerating anything, we, the Church, must be very, very careful. God has and He is setting opportunity before us. The Gospel must be the priority for the homosexual – just as it must be for each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus.

Regardless of how we all have been inundated through the media, movies, television, schools, politics, the internet, and tragically in some cases by various faiths promoting, “once gay always gay,” and “can’t change,” it is well past time for the Church to come out of the closet, educate itself, and replace the many lies and myths about homosexuality being campaigned by pro-gay activists, with the real Scriptural truths and facts about same-sex attraction.

I freely admit there is a price to be paid today for discipling men and women according to all of Christ’s teachings – especially with our present culture pushing for greater and greater approval of iniquity. However, the gospel of Christ remains “the power of God unto salvation for all who believe.” (Romans 1:16)

It seems to me no one need fear God’s judgment when teaching and proclaiming Biblical holiness, as Paul said in Romans 8:36, “but in all these things we will be more than conquerors through Him who loved us.”

If we, the Christian community, remain unwilling to awaken from our slumber and become willing to share God’s Word, His truth, as it pertains to homosexual practice, there can be no doubt the biggest losers will undoubtedly be homosexual men and women who (should things continue as they are) just may continue to get everything they want, but will definitely be denied The One whom they truly need.

God has entrusted us with great responsibility, opportunity and privilege.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Our fifth broadcast is titled “Homosexuality and the Reality of Change.” Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, God has, is, and will be delivering men and women from the snare of same-sex attraction.

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Care and Support Groups

His Way Out Ministries cares deeply about men and women, their families, and the Church-at-large impacted by unwanted same-sex attraction. It is our collective goal and privilege to share the transforming power of God’s love and forgiveness without compromising the Truth and Authority of Scripture.

Straight Talk

Straight Talk offers a relaxed, informal meeting available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of same-sex attraction and become more effective in reaching those combatting same-sex attraction. Facilitated by Pastor Phillip Lee, Straight Talk provides a safe environment for men and women with unwanted same-sex attraction to receive support, encouragement, truth and guidance for their journey, also assisting parents, friends, co-workers, a fellow brother or sister in Christ, a neighbor, face the complexity of emotions, actions and questions that will undoubtedly surface when learning of an individual’s homosexuality.

Teaching materials provided for this no fee Care Group/Class.

Straight Talk will meet faithfully on the first Saturday of each month, 9am to 11am at the His Way Out Ministries office. See www.hiswayout.com/contact for our office location.

For ‘Wives/Ladies’ Only

When homosexuality or sexual impurity hits a marriage, it certainly produces a crisis. However, it may be that with the ‘secret’ becoming known, the marriage has opportunity to survive. For ‘Wives/Ladies’ Only, facilitated by Ginny Mitchell, offers support in a safe environment with Biblical guidance, prayer and encouragement for your healing journey.

Please contact the His Way Out Ministries office for meeting dates, time and location: (661) 432-7856 or email: hwom@juno.com

Friends and Family

Facilitated by Craig and Karen Fulwyler, Friends and Family assists and supports parents with gay-identified loved ones face the many emotions and questions that surface regarding the subject of homosexuality.

With God’s truth clear in our hearts, parents can go forward to have conversations that change our culture and reveal the love of Christ to loved ones and to all the world.

Friends and Family meets faithfully on the 4th Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at the His Way Out Ministries office.

For more information about His Way Out Ministries Ministry Services, please contact our office at (661) 432-7856 or email us at: hwom@juno.com

His Way Out Ministeies Care and Support Groups are provided at no cost. All materials © His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Our fourth broadcast is titled “Youth and Homosexuality.” Christian youth often find themselves caught in the middle. Do they hold to the instructions of Scripture, church, and parents or do they reject their faith convictions as outdated and accept a new morality?

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“Once gay, always gay,” is a common sentiment in the homosexual community. Heaven knows, I bought into and used to preach all that false propaganda once myself. Many gays and lesbians truly feel that they were born that way. They will be very frank and honest by stating that they do not ever remember making a conscious choice to be drawn to someone of their own sex. So, common logic says, homosexuality must be genetic or hormonal, and there is nothing that can be done about it.

I will admit that such thinking sounds a bit logical, but it is not based in truth. Both the Holy Scriptures and an abundance of secular literature provide evidence that homosexuality, though deeply ingrained and even habitually practiced, can be overcome, both as a lifestyle and as an identity.

God does not create homosexuals. If He did, He would not have any business judging their behavior as sinful and unnatural…something He devotes a great deal of His time doing in His Word. (Romans 1:26 -27) I mean, why would God create something contrary to Himself? God created both sexes to be compliments and counterparts to each other and to live in a hetero-sexual, monogamous relationship. Any and every perversion of His divine intent (including promiscuity, adultery, bi-sexuality, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) is clearly and repeatedly condemned in Scripture. (I Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; Romans 1:24-27; Galatians 5:10-21)

As much as we might like, no amount of argument or attempts at justification is going to change God’s standard. A very clear and emphatic choice must be made by each person. Each person must ask themselves this question, just as I had to 33 years ago, “Will I obey God’s Word, or seek to reinterpret it another way in order to fulfill my sexual desires?”

I have never been able to find one, not one, positive statement about homosexuality in the entire Word of God. Indeed, I found Jesus to be abundantly clear in His teachings when He states that we have only two appointed options … heterosexual monogamous marriage or abstinence. So, let’s take homosexuality completely out of the equation and state it this way. Are you single? If the answer is “yes.” Then you are not to be sexually intimate with anyone. Also, for those viewing the subject of homosexuality as one of civil rights. This is not about civil rights. This is clearly an issue of morals.

Certainly homosexuals can change: 1 Corinthians 6:11. It is extremely important to know that each person seeking to overcome homosexuality is uniquely different. This was very true of my own journey out of the gay lifestyle. Many who have exited from homosexuality span a wide variety of ages, personalities, occupations, and various church denominations. Some ex-gays and former lesbians were once consumed and totally immersed in the homosexual subculture of cities like San Francisco, New York City, and Los Angeles. I, myself, spent many, many years submerged in large city gay communities. While others endured, and still endure, a silent struggle. Never confiding in anyone, never having a homosexual experience… but, in an intense battle with same-sex fantasies and desire.

There is no identical plan of action for healing from homosexuality. No “quick fix” or “one-two-three” formula. A person’s deliverance from homosexuality comes from a Person, rather than a method or even a program. That Person is, has always been and will always be, Jesus Christ.

The Bible speaks of transformation in a variety of ways: as being recreated in the inner person, as having the mind of Christ, as having God’s law written on our heart and mind, as walking by the Spirit and not the flesh, as being a new creation, and as being reborn.

All Christians face the decision of accepting or rejecting Christ’s Lordship. Coming out of homosexuality requires deep emotional healing and a restructuring of one’s whole identity. As our Creator, God, is the only One who knows exactly how to restore our personality. I remember so vividly, when coming to know Christ at the age of 35, what it meant for the first time in my life to be a man. But more importantly, what it meant to be a godly man. I liked it then. I like it still. Or, as I have heard it sung in a wonderful old song…”I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now.”

Change? Yes, with all the evidence on God’s side.

Pastor Phillip Lee
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Our third broadcast is titled “Silence Is Not An Option.” It is the clarity of the Holy Scriptures that should compel each and every faithful follower of Christ Jesus to be a light where there is darkness, rather than hiding our witness from those who need it.

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First and foremost, let’s put even this crisis in its proper context. Embrace the promise of Romans 8:28 that God makes everything – even calamities – work for our good. Admittedly, it is often very excruciating to wait for the ‘good’ to work. I mean, when it seems that everything is literally coming apart at the seams, it’s hard to consider if anything good will really come out of misery.

  • My first encouragement is to learn as much as you can about the causes of homosexuality. Simply knowing it is wrong is not even close to being enough.
  • Don’t run the matter into the ground every time you see your son or daughter. Often, there can be a good reason(s) for not dealing with a problem right now.
  • Do everything you can to keep the lines of communication open and maintain your relationship. If you feel you have been batting your head against the wall seeking resolution of ‘the problem,’ take a rest. It may not be God’s time to deal with the issue.
  • Make sure your son or daughter is aware of your belief and position regarding homosexual practice. Heaven knows, God can deal with and use our mistakes but He cannot deal with our inaction. Be clear and precise.
  • Do not argue about homosexuality. The very moment the conversation erupts into anger – drop it! Badgering will only produce pushing the individual in the wrong direction. Many problems and issues in life are often solved very indirectly; not when we are consciously dealing with them, but when we are going about our normal lives.
  • It is imperative to distinguish between “acceptance and approval.” It is important to separate, both in our own minds and to our loved ones, their individual worth from the acts of homosexuality they may be committing.
  • Stay completely away from Christian cliches such as: “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve,” and “Love the sinner but hate the sin.” Christian cliches only reinforce the belief of many with same-sex attraction that the Christian community is unwilling to truly educate themselves on the complexities of same-sex attraction.
  • Do not hesitate to admit when and where the Church has been wrong with regard to men and women with same-sex attraction. We, the Church, have made mistakes and in some cases owe the gay community an apology.
  • Refrain from attacking the character of homosexuals when discussing homosexuality. Keep to the real issue: “The real issue is whether or not homosexual practice is, in and of itself, moral.”
  • Do not be discouraged if your conversations do not produce instant fruit. What we will answer to God for is speaking truth lovingly and plainly – not for how our loved one responds.
  • Be relentless in looking for every opportunity to share it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the indwelling presence of His Spirit which is the foundation needed to overcome same-sex attraction.
  • Release control. Let God decide how to bring freedom. God is the only One who can bring about change in the homosexual.
  • Let the son, daughter, and everyone know that God has a reputation for transforming trapped people with damaged sexualities. “And such were some of you” applies to all Christians who had formerly participated in homosexuality. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
  • And, remember, those entangled in sin, of course, will have weak faith, so be merciful to those who doubt. (Jude 22)

Somewhere I read, “Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out.”

When Jesus Christ is “there,” life has infinite possibilities.

Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Our second broadcast is titled “The Myths of Homosexuality” which covers questions like: Is homosexuality the worst of all sins; is homosexuality nothing more than just a choice; is homosexuality genetic; will marriage or dating fix the problem of same-sex attraction; and does tolerance mean approving of however anyone lives?

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I would change the wording on the image below to, “Oh what we CAN be…” instead of, “Oh what we COULD be…”

For all Christians, there is an on-going struggle between the flesh and spirit that is often a daily reality.

Therefore, which of these two natures is the real me? More specifically, what does this inner conflict mean for the person leaving homosexuality?

For every Christian, overcoming his or her past – whether it is homosexuality or some other life-dominating struggle – is an on-going process of spiritual growth. In some respects, it never ends. The transformation of anyone struggling with same-sex attraction is a maturing experience similar to that of any believer. The journey out of the brokenness of same-sex attraction is not unique at all. It just has different twists and turns along the way from that of the average heterosexual seeking healing from his or her past.

Without a doubt, stopping homosexual acting out is a significant, important first step. But what then? One of the deepest root issues that every man and woman must change in order to experience freedom from his or her homosexual background is change in thoughts and identity.

Identity – the core sense of who we are – is the probably the deepest and most difficult area to experience change. This is where Scripture can have its most powerful effect. Am I defined by my feelings or by whom God says I am?

Every former homosexual that I have met has repeatedly told me that the reason they have been successful in abandoning homosexuality has been solely due to obedience to God’s Word. Changing their same-gender attraction was a side effect of a much larger goal: being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ.

Many men and women have found homosexuality to be ultimately disappointing and less than totally fulfilling. Many have sensed that there is something more available, and they want it. However, seeking a ‘straight lifestyle’ is a flawed and misdirected motive for coming out of homosexuality. The ultimate goal and focus should be seeking and reaching spiritual maturity, and not just experiencing a certain sexual orientation.

There is evidence for change from homosexuality right in the New Testament church. In speaking to the Corinthian believers, the Apostle Paul said that some of them had been involved in various sinful lifestyles, including homosexuality. But then he declared, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:11)

Coming out of homosexuality is not a new phenomenon. It has been occurring in the Church since the days of first-century church – if not before. The message of hope for overcoming same-gender attraction has been declared for centuries. With that in mind, I hope you will find the following testimonies encouraging and thought-provoking. To God be the glory!

“I am amazed at the change in me. Other people see it as well. Yes, I still experience temptation from time to time, but I now have the strength and the desire to turn away from it. I am so filled with compassion to help others who have the same issue of same-sex attraction that I can’t explain it. I know that it is the Holy Spirit at work in me. I know that I am just a babe in Christ and that I must grow in knowledge and maturity. I wait patiently for the time to come when God calls me to help. I pray daily He will use me to help others. I want to thank you so much for His Way Out Ministries. It is a truly needed ministry in this world. I wish the Church would face this issue more directly and speak of it openly and remove the stigma it has associated with it. I just feel like so many people could be helped more easily. May God bless your ministry.” Mike

“It was truly God’s plan and blessing that His Way Out Ministries was here in Bakersfield, California just when I needed healing and restoration. You devoted an enormous amount of time, love and understanding to me and I appreciate it and still do appreciate it. You made a positive impact not only on my life but the life of my wife and children. When we all see each other in Glory, you will be able to see how many generations you affected. I praise God for His Way Out Ministries. Please, please, please never be disheartened or discouraged. You are a conduit of God’s love.” Jim

“I asked Jesus to fully invade my heart and rescue me. I would love to tell you that there was an immediate surge of electricity throughout my body or there was a mighty gush of the Holy Spirit upon me, but that is not how God worked with me. That said, there was an undeniable peace in my heart. The events that followed are nothing short of miracles especially after all the bridges I had burned. I called my parents who helped me get into a Christian drug program in Vista, CA and after about four months of being sober, I began to become truly convicted of my same-sex attraction. My mom, a seasoned prayer warrior, had been in prayer all these years and hunting down any and all ministries for those who struggle with same-sex attraction. She began sending me articles and newsletters from Pastor Lee and His Way Out Ministries with the content just making sense. Finally, I wasn’t alone and I began to see and understand my true struggle wasn’t my drug abuse. For the past eight years, I have been rebuilding my life and learning how to have a relationship with God. It hasn’t been without its trials or its joys. Ultimately, you do not have to surrender to a lie. You have to surrender to God.” Kenny

Ministering to men, women and their families is a joyous opportunity to share in the comfort that Christ has given to all of us. It says in 2 Corinthians 1:3-5, “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives, so also through Christ our comfort overflows.”

From All of Us at His Way Out Ministries…

To each of you who continually bless us by your encouragement, ministry participation, financial support, offerings, and prayers, we remain truly grateful. Bless you, for enabling us to reach around the world with the message of hope, healing, and transformation in Christ Jesus.

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