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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Greg Held, Station Manager, KERI 1410AM

Season 2, Episode 21
There is no doubt many Christians have been strongly influenced by the continuous parade of positive media representations of homosexuality. It does “seem” that people today increasingly approve of homosexuality as a valid life option for friends and family members. But is that truly the case?

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Homosexuality? Who Cares? – Download MP3 –

Not long ago, about fifteen minutes before the start of our Straight Talk Care Group/Class Meeting, I heard our office outer doors open and in stepped a couple (a Mom and Dad) I had never had the pleasure of meeting.

The Dad handed me a copy of the information about Straight Talk he had downloaded from our web site and asked, “Are we in the right place for this meeting?’ After I assured him he was, Mom’s eyes filled up and she said, “Our adult daughter just recently informed us she is in a same-sex relationship. We need guidance and support so we drove 5 hours to attend this meeting.”

Admittedly, I was stunned, and I am confident it showed. A one-way drive of 5 hours?

They, like so many others, were looking for encouragement, support, and answers to help them navigate the difficult waters that often surround one main question…

“How do we continue to show love to our gay-identified son/daughter and yet remain faithful to the Bible’s admonitions about homosexual practice?”

The necessary balance of both truth and grace can be a considerable challenge.

To be honest, yet loving; firm in our convictions and unsparing in our compassion and abundantly clear in our beliefs.

“The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

At one point in the meeting, another Mom shared with the couple, “When you’re hurting, fearful, and so deeply troubled, you will go to any lengths to find answers and support. Even a 5-hour drive, huh?”

There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that homosexuality has taken center stage in our nation, churches, and homes.

We are in immediate, if not desperate need, of Biblical clarity in a sexually confused world.

As ambassadors of truth, your job, my job is to present truth lovingly, responsibly, and clearly. When we stand before God, I really do not see even one of us being asked how many homosexuals we were able to persuade out of the homosexual community.

But I am convinced we will be asked how faithfully we presented the words of life and light we’ve been given and how lovingly yet boldly we presented them.

In this extremely troubled age, may it be said of all of us – that we are, as He was, full of grace and truth.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Author Landon Schott

Season 2, Episode 12
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a second His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss: Does that which tempts us define our identity as Christians? Is the answer to homosexuality – heterosexuality, or holiness? and God’s view of same-sex marriage.

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Defining Our Identity w Landon Schott pt2 – Download MP3 –

Even those with a limited knowledge of the Bible will remember that Jesus was scorned and ridiculed for spending time with what were considered the “worst” sinners and the most “unclean” people of His day.

However, Jesus was always determined to focus on those who had the deepest need for Him. As He said, “He was sent not for the healthy, but for the sick,” (Matthew 9:12) and He had little tolerance for those who failed to see their own brokenness.

Clearly, Jesus hung out with sinners. He dined with prostitutes and tax collectors. He interacted with adulterers and harlots. He touched those who were ravaged by socially unacceptable disease. Simply loving them, He listened as much or more than He talked, and His compassion for them and His understanding of their hurt was clear.

If we are to reach the individual struggling with same-gender attraction or the gay community, we must do the same. A very simple scanning of the gospels offers a good picture of several attitudes and actions that characterize Jesus’ way of relating to those who did not know Him and who were lost in their sin.

Jesus routinely broke religious and cultural boundaries. Jesus healed people on the Sabbath, He entered the homes of undesirable people, and He spoke publicly to people the religious leaders ignored. Clearly, Jesus sacrificed tradition and reputation for the sake of the lives He sought to impact. Boy, now there’s a lesson: being more attentive and mindful about our character rather than our reputation.

Jesus began His interaction with sinners by loving them first. In other words, he had a genuine love for them and wanted to get to know them. Remember?

If we are going to be effective in speaking into an individual’s life, we must first establish relationship. Jesus was all about building relationships with sinners. Certainly, Jesus, being Jesus, had quicker relational success than we might have, but His example in getting to know people and letting them see Him is vital for our evangelism efforts.

Jesus physically touched people. In other words, He wasn’t afraid to get a bit dirty. He touched lepers, blind people, and prostitutes. Frankly, I believe physical touch was Jesus’ physical manifestation of His love for people.

In His day, it was considered unclean to even be in proximity with such people. His own disciples often tried to keep “those people” away from Him. But Jesus not only didn’t avoid those people, He sought them out. And it was His touch that healed them both physically and spiritually.

Jesus offered people something better than their sin. He pulled their attention away from their sin, and enabled them to consider and focus on what He could give. He told the woman at the well that He had living water, and then He offers her Himself.

After He saved the adulterous woman from being stoned, He offered her freedom from condemnation. After the harlot anointed His feet, He forgave her sin and saved her for eternity. Now, catch this. While Jesus healed many people of their physical ailments, He often indicated that the forgiveness of their sins was the true gift, even more so than the physical healing they so desired. If we are going to reach the homosexual community, we must offer them something better than their sin.

How do we love them like Jesus?

Jesus’ own examples provides us with several practical tools in reaching our gay and lesbian friends, neighbors, etc.

First, please take this to heart – you have permission to love your gay friends or family members. And, frankly, you have more than permission, you have a mandate from the Lord.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Author Landon Schott

Season 2, Episode 12
Landon Schott, author of Gay Awareness: Discovering the Heart of the Father and the Mind of Christ on Sexuality joins Pastor Phillip Lee for a second His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast to discuss: Does that which tempts us define our identity as Christians? Is the answer to homosexuality – heterosexuality, or holiness? and God’s view of same-sex marriage.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Defining Our Identity w Landon Schott pt2 – Download MP3 –

“If the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle.” (1 Corinthians 14:8)

The Caribbean Ministry Network is dedicated to raising awareness, educating and equipping the Body of Christ throughout the Caribbean to minister to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attraction.

In geographical terms, the Caribbean area includes the Caribbean Sea and all of the islands located to the southeast of the Gulf of Mexico, east of Central America and Mexico, and to the north of South America. Some of its counted cay’s, islands, islets and inhabited reefs front the handful of countries that border the region. Trinidad and Tobago is a Caribbean two-island nation near the coast of South America.

Trinidad has the cultural energy and is environmentally rich, as any naturalist will tell you. Tobago meanwhile is legendary for its peace and calm and its affection for the old-time ways. Surpassing the beauty of Trinidad and Tobago is the warmth and hospitality of its people. Guyana is often referred to as the bridge between South America and the Caribbean, bordering Brazil to its south, Venezuela to its west, Suriname to its east, the Atlantic Ocean on the north. A member of the Caribbean Community of nations, its history and heritage are shared with the former British West Indies and English its language.

Jamaica is an island in the West Indies, 90 miles south of Cuba and 100 miles west of Haiti. It is a little smaller than Connecticut. The island is made up of coastal lowlands, a limestone plateau, and the Blue Mountains, a group of volcanic hills, in the east.

Since 1999, His Way Out Ministries has been raising awareness, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ in Guyana to minister transformingly to those struggling with same-sex attraction. Guyana is a tropical country on the northern shoulder of South America and is approximately the size of Great Britain or the combined size of the States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and bordered by Venezuela, Brazil, Suriname, and the Atlantic Ocean.

If we, as Christ-followers, being fully and unconditionally committed to the entire Word of God, and valuing our call to be the salt and light of society, then we must come to terms with the rapidly changing scene around us and, in particular, the cries of individuals, families churches seeking help with regard to same-gender attraction and related issues.

God offers new life to all who are willing to receive it. Getting energized to fight homosexuality as just an “issue” may seem worthy, but we shouldn’t let that become more important than praying for the souls of the lost and hurting – and doing something positive to help homosexuals who want out of their captive lifestyles.

The Holy Spirit is on the move in Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica and Guyana with other doors of ministry opportunity opening in the Caribbean.

Truly, through the atonement of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, God has, is, and will be delivering men and women from the snare of homosexuality.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Dr. Michael Brown

Season 3, Episode 23
Dr. Michael L. Brown, founder and president of FIRE School of Ministry, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and host of the daily, nationally, syndicated talk radio show, The Line of Fire, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to continue their discussion, focusing on the question, “Can you be gay and a Christian?” Scripture is abundantly clear that ‘change’ is possible. Today however, especially in America, little is being offered which promotes this truth about homosexuality.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Authority and the Process of Change with Michael Brown pt2 – Download MP3 –

For the sake of clarity, by sharing the Gospel I am referring to something much more than a post on Facebook. And, for further clarification, sharing the Gospel is not to proclaim or advance the claims of a church, of a nation, of an ideology, but of Jesus Himself.

How is it possible to acknowledge Jesus as Lord if we take no notice of what He has told us to do?

Christians, all Christians, are to “…declare the wonderful deeds of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Once you were no people but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy but now you have received mercy.” (1 Peter 2:9-10)

America and the Church are now facing a challenge, if not a test, which questions our ability and resilience to stand against internal and external forces that threaten to further divide and pull apart. On a much, much deeper level, it comes down to every Christian (a faithful follower of all the teachings of Christ Jesus) willing to make hard choices?

In today’s world, we cannot afford to sit back and hope that the relatively few full-time ministers of the Word accomplish the task alone. The fulfillment of Christ’s great command to “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature,” (Mark 16:15) is the shared responsibility of every individual who calls Christ Savior and Lord.

As a history student, I am recalling that during the Depression people clearly understood the serious choices before them: pull your hair out and jump out of a window, as some stockbrokers did after the crash in 1929 or unite and work together to see things change, restored and improve.

Change, true change in America and the Church will take place when we surrender to a unifying sense of a clear enemy. To neglect or dismiss the existence of the anti-God force the Bible calls Satan, the devil, Beelzebub, and the prince of this world, is to make allowance for evil to advance and thrive. There is a devil and he is out to spoil and mar God’s world in every way he can.

Call me a dreamer but I continue to believe in the greatness of America and the power and influence of God’s vehicle to reach wounded, broken, hurting humanity – the Church. That said, I remain a realist knowing if people remain unwilling to break with the habits of the past, rethink the future, and act anew, we will no doubt witness further divide and fall.

A mission, any mission for Christ Jesus involves unity. It would be a very, very wonderful thing for the world to see that what unites the Christian community is so much greater than what divides us.

The question I pose is not meant to be blunt or insensitive.

Are you a Christian?

If your answer is, “Yes!” please do not be selfish with the Gospel.

The Apostle Paul said to the Corinthians, “If our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.” (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

Clearly, those who do not know Christ are perishing. They have not perished yet, but they are on their way. Men, women, and children are perishing, captive, and blind to both their predicament and to the Good News of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, this is all about people. Men and women are lost without Jesus Christ.

Psalm 16:11 says, “In thy presence there is fullness of joy, in thy right hand are pleasures for evermore.” Indeed, these are difficult and challenging times. However, there is no joy on earth to compare with that of leading an individual to Christ.

Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me.” (John 14:6)

Today, the change many hope and pray for in our world today will only come about through our willingness to pay the price for it. It will require each and every one of us leaving the safety and comfort of the church.

Yes, our obedience to and for the Gospel will bring us into conflict with the principalities and powers of this world. However, if we are truly going to be bearers of the Good News, we must always be sensitive and kind to others, even though we might disagree with them.

Conflicts are absolutely an inevitable part of life. How we handle and resolve them will demonstrate the extent to which we understand the richness of the Gospel and God’s reconciling love.

You and I are not here at this time by chance. God has brought each of us here for a purpose. I hope and I pray God the Father will challenge and inspire each of us to be a more faithful and effective witness to Jesus Christ in the midst of a world that does not know Him.

“Not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord Almighty.” (Zechariah 4:6)

In America and in a world that remains starved for heroes and leaders, in a world that remains saturated by debates and opinion polls, I remain comforted in knowing the Bible continues to point beyond “us” to the person and work of Jesus Christ.

Today, the ultimate and obvious question remains not, “What is the answer?” It is, “Who is the answer?”

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee & Dr. Michael Brown

Season 3, Episode 22
Dr. Michael L. Brown, founder and president of FIRE School of Ministry, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and host of the daily, nationally, syndicated talk radio show, The Line of Fire, joins Pastor Phillip Lee to focus on sexual morality. It is not a matter of each individual’s personal interpretation but is a matter of authority, God’s authority. It is imperative the Church protect and defend The Authority of Scripture.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Authority and the Process of Change with Michael Brown pt1 – Download MP3 –

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

After saying this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. “Go,” he told him, “wash in the Pool of Siloam” (this word means “Sent”). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

His neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging asked, “Isn’t this the same man who used to sit and beg?” Some claimed that he was.

Others said, “No, he only looks like him.”

But he himself insisted, “I am the man.”

“How then were your eyes opened?” they asked.

He replied, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see.”

“Where is this man?” they asked him.

“I don’t know,” he said.

Does Christ use everything for good for those who love Him?

Yes, according to Romans 8:28-20.

Given choice, would this man have come into the world blind?

I would like to offer a few thoughts for consideration while being very careful not to equate or suggest blindness is the same as the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Homosexual practice is a sin and blindness is not.

Jesus does not ‘explain’ the cause of the man’s blindness, but rather focuses on the purpose. He sees in the blind man an opportunity to display the works of God.

Personally-speaking, in so many respects here is the pivotal mark of where, I believe, we have arrived in trying to ascertain and understand the many, many complexities of homosexuality.

it just seems to me it is not so much…

“Why do I suffer or struggle with this brokenness” but “Will I be true and obedient to God when I do not fully understand the reason for this brokenness?”

It is a fact that none of us get to choose that which tempts us or that which may habitually plague us. However, we each have a responsibility and a choice about what to do with our form of brokenness and whether or not we seek healing and transformation through Christ Jesus.

When you and I see a broken person (it does not matter what form of brokenness), do we see the person or just a problem?

If we truly see the person, would that not mean offering and providing whatever assistance necessary?

I pose the question because no one seems to be focusing upon or rejoicing in the undeniable fact the formerly blind man can now see.

Is this a lesson for each of us regarding spiritual blindness?

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

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