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Dear Friend,

I wish to encourage those of you who have communicated their disappointment and feelings of disheartened over the need to postpone the Living Stones Ministries Conference, Walk by Faith. I would like to personally share that you have touched my heart and I am diligently working toward rescheduling this important event.

In response to this postponement, we wish to offer our current registrars, and others who would like to join us, a Mini Webinar, Walk by Faith Conference March 21, 2020, from 9:00 am – 12:00 pm PST. Fee $20.00.

Guest speakers will be Joe Dallas- When Someone You Love is Gay, Denise Shick-Transgenderism – A Faith-Based Perspective, and Phillip Lee – Reaching Gay Youth.

Phillip Lee, Denise Shick, and Joe Dallas

If you are interested in the conference webinar, please call our office at (626) 963-6683 or e-mail us at info@livingstonesministry.org.

I pray no matter what you face, you have God’s peace and rest in His loving arms.

Blessings,
Denise
Executive Director
Living Stones Ministries

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 1
Pastor Phillip Lee and special guest Pastor Pete Baker, Senior Pastor, Alta Vista Assembly of God Church.

If Christians are to, as Peter encouraged in 2 Peter 3:18, “grow in grace and in knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” then men and women must be taught about themselves (which includes our sexuality) and about Him.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Disciple Making with Pete Baker
– Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.


Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Pete Baker


Thirty-five years ago, surrendering my life to Christ Jesus and saying goodbye to homosexuality, I never once considered that I would find myself front and center of one of the greatest crossroads the Church has ever faced.

Homosexuality has become one of the most controversial social issues of our time, presenting a host of difficult and divisive questions. What exactly is homosexuality and how is it caused? Is homosexual practice morally good? Is homosexual practice beneficial or detrimental to the individual? What’s the best way to respond to the gay agenda that relentlessly bombards us through various social and political sources?

While the above is certainly important and relevant, I believe a far greater issue and concern is at hand.

Homosexuality should not have been, nor should it now be, the primary concern of the Church. What has been unfolding for decades and continues today is a rejection of God and a suppressing of His truth in favor of being wise in our own eyes. Plainly, we are in pride and rebellion against God.

Fact: When the Church of Jesus Christ holds to Biblical truth the Church influences society and culture.

Romans 1:29-32 tells us the consequence of a society which ignores and suppresses His truth is a people, “filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”

At the very heart of this dark shadow that hangs over the Church is an important question each faithful follower of Christ Jesus must ask: Will I reject the authority of the Word of God or will I by the power of the Holy Spirit surrender and conform my life to the Word of God?

Just the fact that we are continuing to debate whether or not the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is sinful validates Paul’s concern that, “they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itchy ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

There are those who focus entirely on a world getting progressively worse, so what’s the point of reaching out and helping those who “come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil” (2 Timothy 2:24-26) in these last days?

The truth, however, must be spoken and it must be spoken with compassion, understanding, and the knowledge that truth often cuts extremely deep before it can begin to bring about healing and wholeness. Ultimately, faithful followers of Christ Jesus must speak the truth about homosexuality because it is truth alone that will bring about freedom and wholeness.

Thirty-five years ago, it was Bible-believing Christians, speaking both truth and grace into my life that made all the difference. I would not be here today without them.

My particular sin and brokenness was not overlooked but rather talked about openly and in conjunction with many, many other sins. For the first time in my life I began to be who God created me to be, which included loving even the broken parts, as He did and does.

Jesus said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)

When we embrace the truth of Scripture without compromise, Jesus empowers us to walk in His purposes.

Truthless grace accomplishes nothing.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 3
Special Guest: Pastor Steven Yeary, Senior Pastor of Family Community Fellowship (formerly Brimhall Road Assembly of God). Is the Church being intolerant by holding to the truth and authority of Scripture regarding homosexuality? Is it possible to be a Christian yet struggle with same-sex attraction? What does change look like? Join Pastor Steven Yeary and Pastor Phillip Lee for a frank, open and honest discussion about homosexuality with emphasis on its impact upon the Church.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Church with Steven Yeary – Download MP3 –

Many people I meet who have not personally struggled with same-sex attraction feel they could be of no help to anyone struggling with homosexuality or lesbianism. This could not be further from the truth.

Yes, God does often use the experience of those who have walked a similar path to provide direction and encouragement to others, and this has certainly been true in my own life.

Actually, those whom God used most significantly in my own healing were men and women who never, ever struggled with same-sex attraction. I’ve heard this repeated so often by other formerly gay-identified men and women that I’ve lost count.

So, please, if you are a woman or man who has never even had a same-sex thought in your life, please be encouraged that God can significantly use you to help someone struggling with same-sex attraction.

Discipleship involves laying down our lives for others. (John 15:13) It is most definitely an act of love, expecting nothing in return. Ultimately, after we have extended ourselves to another, we must at some point take a step back and allow God to be God.

Ultimately, making disciples is much more than just transferring biblical knowledge. If biblical knowledge by itself were the key to Christian maturity, we should have the most spiritual generation of Christians in history. Clearly, the Apostle Paul recognized that each believer is unique and needs individual attention, “We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, no that we may present every man complete (mature) in Christ. For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works with me.” (Colossians 1:28-29)

I freely admit I do not have all the answers to the complexities of same-sex attraction. However, I am willing to go with the individual to the One that does. For the man or woman who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, who has repented of their sexual sin, and who is seeking to yield their life to the Lordship of Christ, other believers must be willing to come alongside, invite them into their homes, invite them into their families, invite them into their lives, and help them fulfill their destiny in Christ. A huge mistake is made when anyone imagines that the man or woman dealing with same-sex attraction needs to be approached with the claims of the Gospel in some totally unique way.

For the man or woman overcoming same-sex attraction, their journey must ultimately be their own. In that regard, their central focus and primary motivation must always be about pursuing a relationship with Jesus Christ. This is greatly accomplished through God’s practical application of being discipled.

No matter how broken or sinful an individual’s past may be, he or she can become more than they ever dreamed or imagined.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 2
The so-called “enlightened understanding” of homosexuality that some now claim, discards traditional Christian teaching and literally has compromised the Church’s integrity by misrepresenting Christianity. The crisis we face today is the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and Revisionists with Pastor Phillip Lee – Download MP3 –

Please tune-in at our new time of 7:30am (PST) on Saturday, March 14, 2020 for the first broadcast of Season 5 of the His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast on KERI 1410AM.

If we are bashing homosexuals, we do not love them as Jesus does. When we affirm the practice of homosexuality, we are not speaking the truth according to God’s Word. If we are stuck between the two extremes and are too fearful to discuss and relate to the issue, we are unable to do ministry as Jesus would.

We will be welcoming both past and new guests to our broadcast with each and every program designed and offered to turn the many controversies that often surround the topic of homosexuality into productive Christian ministry.

Presently, we offer a considerable library of past broadcasts on our web site, all of which are available for immediate listening or downloading for later.

Podcasts direct link:
https://hiswayout.com/category/audio-podcast/

Live Stream is available for our broadcast on KERI 1410AM at:
http://www.wilkinsradio.com/our-stations/keri-1410am-bakersfield-ca/

Is the actual goal of God the Father to make us perfect specimens of what He can do, or is His greater goal to bring each and every one of us into perfect communion with Himself?

Christian perfection has never been nor will it ever be human perfection. Christian perfection is that state of being in a real relationship with God which then manifests itself among the many twists and turns of life and certainly the many irrelevancies of life. Personally, years of study and experience have clearly taught me that regardless of how much doctrine I may know, until I have a clear picture and heartfelt sense that God is truly gracious and good, there will never be any lasting victory in my life.

Looking back, it was more than difficult to believe that God fully accepted me when my conscience told me otherwise. I cannot begin to tell you that the Scriptures which spoke about judgment all applied to me, and the ones that spoke mercy – well, they were for someone else. Numerous personal experiences in my life taught me that people only loved you as long as you pleased them. Therefore, did God really love me in spite of all that I had done and been?

It was the Holy Spirit that helped me see that the Scriptures that speak of judgment are directed at the stiff-necked sinner and not the one who is struggling with sin. As well, I came to understand that God’s promises of mercy are to all that trust in Christ and I was challenged to accept them by simple faith. The more I developed my intimate relationship with Jesus, the more my fears subsided, and, in their place, peace and confidence grew. Incredibly, there were two friends (of the old life) who did not desert me. Thankfully, there were new friends who, knowing all, still loved and accepted me. Trust me, their friendship, love, encouragement, and support provided tangible proof of God’s love. My faith grew.

For anyone to find freedom from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior, an undermining of feelings and a letting go of what did or did not happen must occur. Ultimately, the person begins to see God as a loving Father whose unbelievable grace can bring blessing out of all that has been missed or suffered.

I greatly appreciate and value a comment by Oswald Chambers in My Utmost for His Highest, “The only test as to whether we ought to allow an emotion to have its way is to see what the outcome of the emotion will be. Push it to its logical conclusion, and if the outcome is something God would condemn, allow it no more way.”

Has all the study, meditation, introspection, and questions been worth it? You bet ‘cha. As I have claimed and continue to claim, God is for me in every circumstance of life because of His blood and His righteousness. Solid peace and joy have driven away the old depressions that were at times incredibly crippling. By accepting the truth that God will never abandon me – because Christ has endured all the wrath that I deserve – I know that I am never alone.

All things considered, I am satisfied to strive for and ultimately live in a perfect relationship with God the Father so that hopefully and prayerfully, my life will produce a desire and a longing for God in other lives.

Recently, I shared life is not just a struggle for a few, today, it’s a struggle for everyone and no one meets all of life’s challenges flawlessly. It is monumentally important to remember that God does bring good out of trouble.

Otherwise, sorrow will swallow us up.

My particular brokenness took my self-respect and gave me guilt, took my honor and gave me shame, took my honesty and gave me a double life, took gentleness and made me a deceiving man. However, out of all that stuff, came a walk with God, freedom, strength and vulnerability, the ability (I hope) to help others, and maybe, just maybe, the beginning of wisdom.

Heaven knows the journey (which continues) was often not easy. However, it has all been worthwhile.

Indeed, push “it” – whatever the “it” may be in your life – to its logical conclusion and if the outcome is something God would condemn, allow it no more way.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 1
Friend, ministry partner and well-known personality in our community, Don Clark, joins me on the His Way Out Ministries KERI 1410AM Radio Broadcast for a frank, open and honest conversation about “Homosexuality and the Church.” I am so grateful to Don for coming on the broadcast and discussing such an important issue of our time.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality and the Church with Don Clark – Download MP3 –

During more than 25 years of ex-gay ministry, I have talked and met with many men and women dealing with same-gender feelings and attractions. Without exception, each man and each woman experiences and battles many different influences which undeniably heightens the pull of temptation into homosexuality.

More than not, the individual’s first step into homosexual practice involves a breaking down of one’s resistance. That said, I do believe each and every one of us has an inbuilt barrier to any sinful activity. This is our conscience which is the moral law of God Himself written on our hearts. (Romans 1:19) This spiritual barrier often keeps a person from gay or lesbian sex, even when they begin to experience same-gender desires. However, the enemy of our soul has his ways and schemes of gradually eroding away this wall of protection.

Without a doubt, one way this has and continues to occur throughout American society is by the constant and continuous exposure to the gay subculture. When our attention is constantly being focused on the homosexual issue through magazines, news broadcasts, newspapers, and specials on television, a sin which initially might have created intense repugnance has the potential of evolving to becoming less and less objectionable and ultimately attractive. The initial repulsion can turn to apathy, which has the capability of birthing curiosity. When curiosity makes its home in one’s mind, God’s wall of protection is beginning to crumble.

The lure of the unknown regarding homosexuality has been enough in some cases for the individual to begin wondering, I wonder what homosexuality is really like? This question has the capability of developing into the visualizing of sexual acts which are often aided by the readily available wealth of gay pornography. Once again, when anyone continues to ponder and daydream about same-gender activities, the erosion of one’s wall of resistance crumbles.

As an individual that has traveled this road, I vividly recall that my novice and innocent approach to thinking homosexual practice as being exciting and ultimately fulfilling was terribly naïve and I did not consider the realities of what homosexual practice actually enables. The costs of sexual involvement are extreme and no one can anticipate the emotional and spiritual baggage that you drag along with you when you come away from or break away from an immoral relationship or being sexually active and once again embrace abstinence.

Frankly, today, I don’t know if it is at all possible to avoid full, complete sexual stimulation given our present culture – unless of course we hide at home with a bag over our heads. Today sexual stimulation is around every corner – television, movies, magazines, and newspapers. Therefore, I do believe an important question to ponder is, is it a sin to have homosexual or lesbian feelings? Does God condemn an individual for being attracted to other members of the same sex?

No, being tempted is not the same as sin. God does not condemn anyone based on our feelings. All men and women experience sexual feelings. All of us experience sexual attractions every day. Married people may be attracted to individuals other than their spouse. Are these feelings sinful?

The Bible distinguishes carefully between such feelings and sin. Inappropriate feelings, in biblical terminology, fit the category of “temptation.” And temptations are not sin. Being sexually attracted to another person is not the same as “committing adultery in your heart”. (Matthew 5:28) You have to act on the temptation, either in your mind or body, in order for it to become sin.

Hands-down, most men and women struggling with same-gender attraction tend to forget this huge and critically important distinction between temptation and sin. They walk around underneath a black cloud of continual condemnation and thinking that God is disapproving of them because of their same-gender attractions.

All Christians deal with inappropriate sexual feelings and attractions. Frankly, I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that we are all sexually broken given this fallen world in which we live and the fact that we all combat a sinful nature. Therefore, those that are working toward overcoming homosexuality are not unique; they do not belong in a different subclass than the rest of the Church. For everyone, sexual struggles are part of being human.

Within the Church here in America, I have become increasingly concerned that many have all but dismissed the idea that the devil is a being that most certainly can influence our lives. Scripture clearly and abundantly teaches that Satan is a fallen angel of great power, with direct access to our lives. I believe it is a huge mistake to ignore his existence especially when Scripture clearly identifies him as a tempter “who leads the whole world astray”. (1 Thessalonians 3:5, Revelation 12:9)

I strongly encourage anyone combating an issue of same-gender attraction to study the passage in Ephesians 6:10-18 which specifically lists the parts of our spiritual armor and challenges everyone to make specific applications with regard to combating and struggling with homosexual thoughts and temptations.

Looking back, I distinctly recall how my attitude and mindset regarding homosexuality was very tentative at first. However, little by little, thoughts and activities regarding homosexual practice as “ok” become more and more reinforced which ultimately enabled me to embrace the gay identity. Now, I understand that I succumbed and fell prey to an unbiblical way of thinking about myself.

For Christian men and women, their identity must center around what the Word of God says about them and their relationship with Jesus Christ. Very soon after I surrendered my life to Christ in October of 1985, God clearly showed me that my temptations do not determine my identity. Unfortunately, this is a very, very common and dangerous error especially for Christians who are experiencing same-gender attractions.

Our Christian mindset develops slowly but consistently over a long period of time. The Bible refers to this process as “renewing the mind” (Romans 12:2), which I believe is one of the most important principles of attaining significant freedom from both gay and lesbian thoughts and feelings.

Today, I remain alarmed that celibacy or sexual virginity continues to be ridiculed and scorned in American society. Rather than celibacy or sexual virginity being viewed and upheld as an admirable trait, it is too often viewed as old fashioned and even as an embarrassment. Sexual purity is an undeniable, wonderful gift from God. Please do not allow anyone to ever try and convince you that it’s not worth much. Ultimately, when you and I are disobedient or rebellious to the holy boundary lines clearly defined for us within God’s Word, we do not get to choose the consequences that may come our way as a result of our being disobedient. Truly, “obedience is much better than sacrifice”. (1 Samuel 15:22)

From All of Us at His Way Out Ministries

To each of you who continually bless us by your encouragement, ministry participation, monthly financial support, offerings, and prayers, we remain truly grateful!

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

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