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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 24
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank and honest discussion regarding a number of important questions many are asking today. Is the true crisis the Church faces today about homosexuality or is it the Authority of Scripture? Does Scripture in any way validate homosexual practice? Why are so many churches electing to remain silent on the topic of homosexuality?

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The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt1 – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 23
Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries, shares in detail and at length about inner healing and the rewards of developing an intimate relationship with God the Father. Mike’s books, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here comprise a solid mini-library for your personal healing journey.

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Inner Healing with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 22
Returning guest, Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries and author of Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here, discusses the meaning of true repentance as well as what is involved, what is required by the person to experience and move into true deliverance from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior.

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Deliverance with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

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Believing in Him and You!
Does failure compel you away from God, or compel you to cast yourself on His grace and His mercy? To be sure, we are all on a journey of obedience and along the way we experience God’s mighty healing hand. Sometimes our path is marked by mountain-top ecstasy of being in His presence, but sometimes it is marked by our surrender and our will to obey Him when all spiritual passion has disappeared.

There is no doubt, no question, our humanity will always bear, to some degree or another, the marks of this fallen age in which we live.

But what exactly does that mean? Could it possibly mean that…
…the habitual liar may still slip at times?
…the temptation of same-sex attraction may surface from time to time?
…the former addict or alcoholic many need on-going accountability in his or her area of temptation and weakness?
…the emotionally, physically, sexually, or mentally abused may still feel threatened in certain environments or situations?

None of the above mentioned, and I could certainly continue on and on, minimizes God’s power or His sovereignty. It simply places each one of us in a process, a journey of becoming whole in Christ Jesus.

That said, it is imperative as a Christian that we maintain the right goal which is always Christ and in turn Christ-likeness. Without question, the goal of sanctification is to be conformed and transformed into the image of Christ and not to be some close-ended definition of wholeness.

Please, please find comfort in knowing that becoming whole in Jesus is a process. And because it is a process – it doesn’t happen over night.

Growing whole takes time. A lifetime in fact. Relax and enjoy the journey.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday August 5, 2017
For ‘Wives’ Only

It is our nature to isolate when we are struggling with the various trials in life. But we do not have to walk through them alone. Open the door to healing by sharing your experiences, strengths, and hope and by becoming willing to accept God’s grace in solving life’s problems.

For ‘Wives’ Only, facilitated by Ginny Mitchell, is women supporting, praying, loving and caring for one another by being real and not hiding their feelings. For ‘Wives’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive biblical guidance, prayer, and encouragement for your healing journey.

“You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.” (Philippians 4:13)

For ‘Wives’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Saturday August 26, 2017
Friends and Family

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting that is available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-gender attraction.

Facilitated by Craig and Karen Fulwyler, Friends and Family assists parents, friends, co-workers, a fellow brother and sister in Christ, a neighbor, face the complexity of emotions, actions and questions that will undoubtedly surface when learning of an individual’s homosexuality. Please see the article Friends and Family Care Group for additional information.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Web Site and Facebook
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Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 21
There is no doubt many Christians have been strongly influenced by the continuous parade of positive media representations of homosexuality. It does “seem” that people today increasingly approve of homosexuality as a valid life option for friends and family members. But is that truly the case?

Listen online or download the podcast.

Homosexuality? Who Cares? – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

July 19, 2017

Everyone, Good Morning!

At the Los Angeles Airport waiting to board the first leg of my trip to Houston, TX, a quick plane change, and then on to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago.

Can’t help but take a trip down memory lane when many years ago I worked for United Airlines. Then, I dealt primarily in round trip travel.

Now, it’s one way.

Straight up to Jesus!

Have a blessed day ya’ll!

July 20, 2017

Greetings from Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago!

I arrived late last night but up early this morning and heading over to St. Augustine Evangelical Church for a meeting with church leadership.

We will be discussing and fine-tuning details for our His Way Out Ministries – The Caribbean Office.

Our Caribbean Office will be on the church campus of St. Augustine Evangelical Church which is adjacent to the Christ-Centered Counseling Center.

Bright and early tomorrow morning, I take a quick one-hour flight over to Guyana, South America to meet with the leadership of Operation Restoration, our ministry partner of many years.

We will be discussing details for the Educational Seminar that will be held on Saturday, July 22, 2017 from 9am until 3pm at the National Library in Georgetown, capital of Guyana, South America.

The title of the Educational Seminar is “Affirming Truth Rather Than Culture” with strong attendance expected.

To God be the glory!

Pastor Phillip Lee, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago

Trinidad and Tobago

St. Augustine Evangelical Church

Christ-Centered Counseling Center

St. Augustine Evangelical Church

July 22, 2017

Greetings from Guyana, South America!

Operation Restoration, our great friends and partners in ministry for the past seventeen years here in Guyana.

First thing this morning, a television program titled, Look What God Is Doing.

Host, Ms. Jennifer Flatts, will conduct an interview as to why I am here in Guyana and then we will highlight the Educational Seminar being held this morning.

Our Educational Seminar titled “Affirming Truth Rather Than Culture” begins at 9:00am and will be held city center at the National Library here in Georgetown, capital of Guyana, South America.

Seminar topics include: Understanding Homosexuality, Reaching Gay Youth, Going On As A Parent and Homosexuality and the Church.

It’s going to be a grand day!

From left: Jennifer Flatts, Donna Collier, Phillip Lee, Hazel David-Longe, Phyllis Jordan, Jewell Collier-Swan

July 22, 2017

What an exciting day of ministry here in Guyana, South America which began early this morning with being a guest on the television program Look What God Is Doing with host, Ms. Jennifer Flatts.

Ms. Flatts and I have known one another for many years having partnered together in ministry on numerous occasions through the Christian ministry, Operation Restoration, of which she is a leader.

The half-hour program flew by but we covered a considerable amount of territory including testimony, the purpose and ministry services of His Way Out Ministries, why I am in Guyana this particular trip and the importance of educating the Church to be more effective in reaching those with unwanted same-sex attraction.

Many thanks to Channel 9 and Ms Flatts for having me on the program once again. To God be the glory for what He has done and what He is doing here in Guyana, South America.

Ms. Jennifer Flatts, host of “Look What God Is Doing,” Guyana, South America and Phillip Lee

July 22, 2017

Today’s Educational Seminar, “Affirming Truth Rather Than Culture,” which was held today at the National Library here in Georgetown, Guyana, South America was quite remarkable.

The full-day leadership training brought Christians from all over Georgetown and surrounding areas. Additional seating had to be brought in three times and then it quickly became standing room only.

I note attendance because it was abundantly clear that all those in attendance were there to learn. Clearly, all participants attended seeking information and training.

Equally, all participants were very attentive and fully engaged from beginning to end for the training which I designed to be highly interactive rather than a lecture-style teaching/training.

Seminar participants had excellent questions and throughout the day highly productive discussions surfaced providing an abundance of opportunity to turn and focus upon the Lordship of Christ and the Authority of Scripture.

Covering “Reaching Gay Youth, Homosexuality and the Church, Understanding Homosexuality, and Going On As A Parent” provided the teaching framework to cover many practical points for ministry to those with unwanted same-sex attraction.

It truly was a grand event for which I give God all the praise.

Phillip Lee and Ms. Elinor Jordan

Seminar participants in Georgetown, Guyana

Seminar participants at National Library of Guyana

From left: Nirmahla Hendricks, Donna Collier, Phillip Lee, Jennifer Flatts

July 23, 2017

This morning, I fly back to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago for an afternoon meeting with the leadership of Hospital Christian Fellowship, friends and ministry partners of His Way Out Ministries for many years.

This particular trip has been go, go, go and packed daily since my arrival. Each day the Holy Spirit has confirmed and reconfirmed “His Way Out Ministries – The Caribbean” in truly remarkable ways and I am excited to be a part of what God will do and accomplish in this part of His creation.

On Monday, I will meet once again with the leadership of St. Augustine Evangelical Bible Church to sign a lease for our new Caribbean Office, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago.

These are exciting times. To God be the glory!

July 24, 2017

Everyone, Greetings from Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago!

It is official! As of this morning, lease signed with an office dedication and official launch of His Way Out Ministries – The Caribbean, scheduled for November 1, 2017.

In America, The Caribbean, and throughout this entire world, people are in need of God’s clarity about their relationships and their sexuality.

His Way Out Ministries – The Caribbean will be, just like His Way Out Ministries – United States, dedicated to raising awareness, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ throughout the Caribbean, to minister to those who struggle with the unwanted brokenness of same-sex attraction.

The position of His Way Out Ministries – United States and The Caribbean, rests on the Authority of Scripture with all ministry services centered on the Biblical foundations of compassion, integrity, and dependence on God.

We have been and we shall remain committed to effectively and compassionately communicating God’s heart concerning sexual brokenness and wholeness, while disputing the unchangeable nature of sexual orientation.

“And this is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:11)

For King and Kingdom,

Pastor Phillip Lee
His Way Out Ministries


Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 20
Keep trying, loving, praying, and looking for ways to reach gay-identified neighbors, friends, and loved ones. In doing so, regardless how they may respond, you will be living out God’s heart. We are called to sacrificial love, to love in the same way Christ loves us.

“As faithful followers of Christ Jesus, we should never sidestep either truth or grace but speak clear truth about every issue and extend grace to every person. This, I believe, is what the Church is called to be, and I am convinced it is what people are looking for today. It was a church like this that saved my life.” – Phillip Lee

Listen online or download the podcast.

Don’t Walk On Eggshells! – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 19
Join Pastor Phillip Lee for Season 2, Podcast 19, on the topic, “When God gives a vision of truth, His truth, it is never a question of what He will do, but of what we will do.”

Listen online or download the podcast.

Keeping the Right Focus – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 18
Roles get reversed when Pastor Roger Spradlin interviews Pastor Phillip Lee in the second part of a two-part episode about saying goodbye to “gay” and surrendering his life to Christ Jesus 31 years ago.

Pastor Spradlin asked important and pointed questions such as: Is there a difference between the terms “gay” and “homosexual”? Did you choose to be gay? How instrumental was the Church in your process of transformation? Were you ever bullied? Do you think a Christian should attend a same-sex marriage ceremony? Am I correct that you personally witnessed the AIDS crisis unfold in 1980? What was it, what happened that ultimately caused you to say goodbye to “gay” and surrender to Christ? Is freedom from same-sex attraction instantaneous when surrendering to Christ or is it a process? Is the ultimate goal for the same-sex attracted person heterosexuality? Is the true identity of a Christian found in their sexuality or in Christ? And, much more.

These are the kind of conversations that need to take place throughout the Body of Christ on a regular basis to effectively and compassionately communicate God’s heart concerning sexual brokenness and wholeness in Christ Jesus.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Roger Spradlin and Phillip Lee Reverse Roles pt2 – Download MP3 –

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Roger Spradlin

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries is offering a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 17
Roles get reversed when Pastor Roger Spradlin interviews Pastor Phillip Lee about saying goodbye to “gay” and surrendering his life to Christ Jesus 31 years ago.

Pastor Spradlin asked important and pointed questions such as: Is there a difference between the terms “gay” and “homosexual”? Did you choose to be gay? How instrumental was the Church in your process of transformation? Were you ever bullied? Do you think a Christian should attend a same-sex marriage ceremony? Am I correct that you personally witnessed the AIDS crisis unfold in 1980? What was it, what happened that ultimately caused you to say goodbye to “gay” and surrender to Christ? Is freedom from same-sex attraction instantaneous when surrendering to Christ or is it a process? Is the ultimate goal for the same-sex attracted person heterosexuality? Is the true identity of a Christian found in their sexuality or in Christ? And, much more.

These are the kind of conversations that need to take place throughout the Body of Christ on a regular basis to effectively and compassionately communicate God’s heart concerning sexual brokenness and wholeness in Christ Jesus.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Roger Spradlin and Phillip Lee Reverse Roles pt1 – Download MP3 –

Pastor Phillip Lee & Pastor Roger Spradlin

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

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