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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 2, Episode 5
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Please join Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee as they continue their discussion which focuses on, “Can a man or woman be a Christian and yet struggle with same-sex attraction?”

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As an individual that spent many years in the considerable gay communities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, and Bakersfield, I remain concerned regarding the many inaccuracies being offered and reported endeavoring to promote the “gay is good” notion and the civil rights of gay men and women.

Clearly, the pro-gay agenda continues its attempts to change, influence, and persuade public opinion that the practice of homosexuality (in any form or to any degree) is all about “civil rights.” Nothing could be further from the truth.

Today, more than ever, many within gay communities around the world now view and classify the conservative Christian who holds to the traditional and scripturally correct view that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching and conduct” as being politically incorrect, intolerant, and homophobic. Ultimately, the crisis we face today is not about homosexuality or gay rights, but rather a “crisis of truth.” Undeniably, “truth is” and it matters greatly regarding homosexual practice and the promotion of gay civil rights.

“The gay agenda” is a phrase that implies a uniform social and political agenda shared by all homosexuals. It also implies there is something inherently wrong in having an agenda. Both points are untrue. There is great diversity among homosexuals, including political and social diversity. For that reason, no one agenda could be nor is it shared by all homosexuals, although it is fair to say there are some goals — same-sex marriage, acceptance of gays in the military, and so on — that are common to the political gay rights movement, even if and when they are not shared by all homosexual people. However, to promote the idea that the gay community is a united front in terms of gay rights or even the word “gay” to denote homosexual practice is inaccurate and an illusion. Around the world, there is great diversity within gay communities when it comes to the promotion of gay rights and homosexual practice.

Homosexuals don’t have a right to have no one disagree with them on the morality of homosexuality. Nor do they have the right to be free from “attitudinal discrimination” regarding their sexual orientation. But neither does anyone else have such a right.

Indeed, every citizen has a right to his or her own biases and prejudices, as long as they do not impinge upon the fundamental rights of another person or class. This is what it means to live in a society in which the freedoms of speech, religion (and belief), and privacy are guaranteed. Homosexuals have the right, as do others, to believe that homosexual behavior should be accepted as normal. They do not have the right to have everyone else agree with them.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Phillip Lee and Brandon Holthaus

Season 2, Episode 4
Special Guest: Pastor Brandon Holthuas, Senior Pastor, Rock Harbor Church. Pastor Brandon Holthaus and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank, open and honest discussion which focuses on concern with regard to the direction a segment of the Church appears to be heading regarding homosexual practice.

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Homosexuality and the Church with Brandon Holthaus pt1 – Download MP3 –

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category to the right.

In October of 1985, I did not become a Christian to leave homosexuality. I became a Christian because The Gospel made sense. Thankfully, my pastors and numerous brothers and sisters in Christ immediately instilled in me the command, calling, and responsibility of being a witness for Christ, …and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem…and to the ends of the earth. (Acts 1:8) Frankly, it hasn’t been a challenge  since …out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks (Luke 6:45). For me not to share freedom from homosexuality in Christ Jesus would be to deny Christ Himself.

Today, to be opposed to homosexuality has become the sin rather than homosexuality itself. Personally, I remain convinced that given everything that has transpired regarding homosexuality and the many related issues, and everything that continues to unfold given our present “crisis of truth,” we must refuse to be pressured by it all. We must not allow a minority or even a majority to dictate to us, The Church, what our standards will be. Our standards come from a higher authority.

Our present “crisis of truth” has not been about nor is it presently about homosexuality. The true crisis is about The Authority of Scripture and the Lordship of Christ. That said, I would be the first, having done so numerous times, to offer an apology to the gay community on behalf of the Body of Christ for the many ways The Church has mishandled the topic of homosexuality in not extending a redemptive hand. The Church must reach out in love and compassion with a message of forgiveness and the extension of grace to those who sin sexually, be it premarital, extramarital or homosexual activity. Those involved in sexual sin may be our brothers and sisters, our sons and our daughters. They need the help of The Church to know and follow God’s plan for bringing their sexuality under the Lordship of Christ.

Admittedly, these past several weeks have been more than intense. I am as human as the next. However, I am grateful the Holy Spirit has continued to show me just how much is at stake.

I will continue to hope and pray that we all will put the Word of God in its proper place. The 138th Psalm says, I will praise your name for your loving kindness and your truth, for you have magnified your word above your name. Obviously, God thinks highly of His name – but He has magnified His Word even above His name – and, so should we all.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

His Way Out has been faithfully ministering to men and women seeking a way out of sexually broken lifestyles since 1994. We could not do it without the support of Christians like you. Every dollar that you give to His Way Out Ministries helps to further this vital ministry. Won’t you take a minute to prayerfully consider a monthly donation to His Way Out? Please consider making a one-time donation or set up a secure monthly PayPal contribution on our donation page at https://www.hiswayout.com/donate/. Thank you, Pastor Phillip Lee

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 15
Special Guest: Ken Williams, Co-Founder of Equipped To Love and Co-Creative Director of Changed: Once Gay Stories.

Pastor Phillip Lee and Ken Williams tackle the question, “Can homosexuals really change?” Ken shares his testimony of how God impacted and transformed his life and led to the development of Equipped To Love and Changed: Once Gay Stories which are resources for individuals, family members, friends, and church leaders to better understand the complexites of same-sex attraction and encourage the Body of Christ to minister transformingly to thoe with unwanted same-sex attraction.

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Can Homosexuals Really Change with Ken Williams
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Ken Williams

All past episodes of His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast are available by following THIS LINK or selecting the “Audio Podcast” category below.

Dear His Way Out Ministries…
What exactly is homophobia?

To be genuinely homophobic, a person must manifest an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals. What would constitute an irrational fear? Something along the lines of believing one might become gay by just being in the presence of a homosexual or that one could get AIDS by driving a car serviced by a homosexual auto mechanic. Such attitudes need professional attention, as well as punitive action from society.

What isn’t homophobic is a reasoned, principled, even compassionate denial of the moral normalcy of homosexual acts. Nor is it homophobic to oppose social policies and legislation which grant protected status to those who engage in homosexual acts. It is not even necessarily homophobic to support anti-sodomy laws, if such support is motivated by the belief that such behavior is harmful to both individuals and society. It is not homophobic to try and convince others that homosexuality and the homosexual movement are wrong.

What many people forget, both among those for and against homosexual rights, is that it is quite possible both to judge a behavior or lifestyle as immoral, and yet treat individuals with the respect and dignity which they deserve. Ultimately, neither truth nor love is homophobic. Therefore, responses to homosexuality which bear these qualities can never be homophobic. Any society which seeks to base its public policy upon truth and love will ultimately gain one of the most precious of social virtues – justice.

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His Way Out Ministries Podcasts are dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Pastor Phillip Lee

Season 3, Episode 21
Any endeavor to make the Bible agree with homosexual practice, requires abandoning the truth of God. True love, love for God, is not about sexual preference – it is about Biblical obedience. Join Pastor Phillip Lee as he explores Counterfeit Sexuality.

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Pastor Phillip Lee RHT02By Pastor Phillip Lee

During all my years of ex-gay ministry, I have talked with many men and women dealing with same-gender feelings and attractions. Without exception, each man and each woman experiences and battles many different influences which undeniably heightens the pull of temptation into homosexuality.

More than not, the individual’s first step into homosexual practice involves a breaking down of one’s resistance. That said, I do believe each and every one of us has an inbuilt barrier to any sinful activity. This is our conscience which is the moral law of God Himself written on our hearts (Romans 1:19). This spiritual barrier often keeps a person from gay or lesbian sex, even when they begin to experience same-gender desires. However, the enemy of our soul has his ways and schemes of gradually eroding away this wall of protection.

Without a doubt, one way this has and continues to occur throughout American society is by the constant and continuous exposure to the gay subculture. When our attention is constantly being focused on the homosexual issue through magazines, news broadcasts, newspapers and specials on television, a sin which initially might have created intense repugnance has the potential of evolving to becoming less and less objectionable and ultimately attractive. The initial repulsion can turn to apathy, which has the capability of birthing curiosity. When curiosity makes its home in one’s mind, God’s wall of protection is beginning to crumble.

The lure of the unknown regarding homosexuality has been enough in some cases for the individual to begin wondering, I wonder what homosexuality is really like? This question has the capability of developing into the visualizing of sexual acts which is often aided by the readily available wealth of gay pornography. Once again, when anyone continues to ponder and daydream about same-gender activities, the erosion of one’s wall of resistance crumbles. As an individual that has traveled this road, I vividly recall that my novice and innocent approach to thinking homosexual practice as being exciting and ultimately fulfilling was terribly naïve and I did not consider the realities of what homosexual practice actually enables. The costs of sexual involvement are extreme and no one can anticipate the emotional and spiritual baggage that you drag along with you when you come away from or break away from an immoral relationship or being sexually active and once again embrace abstinence.

Frankly, today, I don’t know if it is at all possible to avoid full, complete sexual stimulation given our present culture – unless of course we hide at home with a bag over our heads. Today sexual stimulation is around every corner – television, movies, magazines and newspapers. Therefore, I do believe an important question to ponder is – Is it a sin to have homosexual or lesbian feelings? Does God condemn an individual for being attracted to other members of the same sex? No, being tempted is not the same as sin. God does not condemn anyone based on our feelings. All men and women experience sexual feelings. All of us experience sexual attractions every day. Married people may be attracted to individuals other than their spouse. Are these feelings sinful?

The Bible distinguishes carefully between such feelings and sin. Inappropriate feelings, in biblical terminology, fit the category of “temptation.” And temptations are not sin. Being sexually attracted to another person is not the same as “committing adultery in your heart” (Matthew 5:28). You have to act on the temptation, either in your mind or body, in order for it to become sin. Hands-down, most men and women struggling with same-gender attraction tend to forget this huge and critically important distinction between temptation and sin. They walk around underneath a black cloud of continual condemnation and thinking that God is disapproving of them because of their same-gender attractions.

All Christians deal with inappropriate sexual feelings and attractions. Frankly, I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that we are all sexually broken given this fallen world in which we live and the fact that we all combat a sinful nature. Therefore, those that are working toward overcoming homosexuality are not unique; they do not belong in a different subclass than the rest of the Church. For everyone, sexual struggles are part of being human.

Within the Church here in America, I have become increasingly concerned that many have all but dismissed the idea that the devil is a being that most certainly can influence our lives. Scripture clearly and abundantly teaches that Satan is a fallen angel of great power, with direct access to our lives. I believe it is a huge mistake by ignoring his existence especially when Scripture clearly identifies him as a temper “who leads the whole world astray” (1 Thessalonians 3:5, Revelation 12:9). I strongly encourage anyone combating an issue of same-gender attraction to study the passage in Ephesians 6:10-18 which specifically lists the parts of our spiritual armor and challenges everyone to make specific applications with regard to combating and struggling with homosexual thoughts and temptations.

Looking back, I distinctly recall how my attitude and mindset regarding homosexuality was very tentative at first. However, little by little, thoughts and activities regarding homosexual practice as “ok” become more and more reinforced which ultimately enabled me to embrace the gay identity. Now, I understand that I succumbed and fell prey to an unbiblical way of thinking about myself. For Christian men and women, their identity must center around what the Word of God says about them and their relationship with Jesus Christ. Very soon after I surrendered my life to Christ in October of 1985, God clearly showed me that my temptations do not determine my identity. Unfortunately, this is a very, very common and dangerous error especially for Christians who are experiencing same-gender attractions. Our Christian mindset develops slowly but consistently over a long period of time. The Bible refers to this process as “renewing the mind” (Romans 12:2), which I believe is one of the most important principles of attaining significant freedom from both gay and lesbian thoughts and feelings.

Today, I remain alarmed that celibacy or sexual virginity continues to be ridiculed and scorned in American society. Rather than celibacy or sexual virginity being viewed and upheld as an admirable trait, it is too often viewed as old fashioned and even as an embarrassment. Sexual purity is an undeniable, wonderful gift from God. Please do not allow anyone to ever try and convince you that it’s not worth much. Ultimately, when you and I are disobedient or rebellious to the holy boundary lines clearly defined for us within God’s Word, we do not get to choose the consequences that may come our way as a result of our being disobedient. Truly, “obedience is much better than sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22).

From All of Us at His Way Out Ministries…
To each of you who continually bless us by your encouragement, ministry participation, monthly financial support, offerings and prayers…we remain truly grateful!

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:30am (PST) on KERI 1410AM, and live streamed at www.wilkinsradio.com, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating, and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 5, Episode 14
Special Guest: Carol Wagstaff, author of Reclaim, Restore and Rebuild: Hope for Families Impacted by Sexual Brokenness available at Amazon.com.

When your loved one announces their homosexuality, they are not the only ones affected. Immediately, the crisis becomes an issue that the whole family has to work through. How is that done and what does that look like?

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Restoring Family Relationships with Carol Wagstaff
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Author Carol Wagstaff

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THE ROOT OF HOMOSEXUALITY

Homosexual behavior is an attempt to fulfill normal, legitimate needs for love, acceptance, and identity through sexual intimacy with someone of the same sex. Although the factors that contribute to the development of sexual orientation are complex and subtle, our experience suggests that one of the deepest roots of homosexuality is a break in relational bonds, especially those within the family, which stunts the development of the individual’s ability to healthily connect with others throughout life.

The security of a child depends on the three way bond of mother to child, father to child, and the often underemphasized bond between the parents. Any break, real or perceived, in these bonds can produce insecurity in him or her – and thus a lack of that sense of belonging and affirmation which is so vital in the development of gender identity.

If the child has an absent or an emotionally distant mother or father, he or she will feel a certain amount of vulnerability – a vague longing for closeness and protection that the parent has not been able to fulfill. In addition to this, if the young person has been subjected to sexual molestation, especially at the hands of a trusted adult such as a teacher, babysitter or relative, then the impact upon his or her ability to bond with others will be all the more devastating. In the face of this sense of exposure, the child may detach from the parent and other significant adults to one extent or another in order to avoid any further hurt and disappointment. This tendency to withdraw produces fear of intimacy, isolation from others, and envy on account of what is missing. It also adds to the weight of the heartfelt unworthiness and rejection that the young person is already carrying.

This leaves him or her with tremendous needs for affirmation and affection. In most instances the attraction for the same sex begins before the age of ten. It is emotional, non-sexual, and involuntary. With sexual immaturity, these needs become eroticized; sexual intimacy becomes a primary means for feeling loved and affirmed.

Hence, sexual activity offers some sense of being truly accepted. What seems to be “love” is received, the person extending this love is idolized, and as the pain becomes covered over with pleasure, a momentary sense of self esteem emerges – a temporary relief from the confusion of identity.

Thus, the homosexual condition is a result of the many hurts, real or perceived, that the child has suffered in the wake of a breach in relationship, overt or subtle, with a significant adult, usually of the same sex. The homosexual behavior is the activity that emerges as that “hurt child” seeks to fulfill these unmet love needs. He or she may not know how dismally these attempts will fail to impart the sense of completion and connectedness that is perhaps the most essential longing of the human soul.

The result of these efforts to meet one’s needs homosexually is that ultimately the loneliness remains and the individual is left more fragmented and ill-at-ease than ever. In addition to this emotional unwholeness, the person often blames God for his hurts and for creating him homosexual. This hinders his or her ability to trust the Creator and taste of the deep intimacy with Him that would provide comfort and strength in the face of as yet unmet inner longings.

ARE “THEY” BORN THAT WAY?

The teaching of Scripture is that God intended for men and women to experience relational completion – an easing of aloneness – through union with a partner who is sexually distinct from them and who can thereby be a true helpmate and companion in life.

“And God created man in His own image…male and female He created them. Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone: I will make him a helper suitable for him.'” Genesis 1:27, 2:18.

Homosexuality is a relational dysfunction, and is condemned by Scripture as contrary to God’s revealed intent for man’s sexuality. In light of this, one can be sure that whether homosexuality is the result of developmental causes or inborn characteristics, it is not the result of an act of creation by God.

But is it inborn? Much research has been done in an attempt to prove that it is, but no concrete evidence has been found to support this theory. In fact, two very famous researchers in the field, Masters & Johnson, have this to say in their well known book, Human Sexuality. “Despite the interest in possible hormone mechanisms in the origin of homosexuality, no serious scientist today suggests that a simple cause-effect relationship applies.” and, “The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally discarded today.”

IS THERE HOPE FOR HEALING?

Homosexuality is clearly a two fold condition. A fallen world imposes wounds, fears, identity confusion, and alienation; people react with sinful choices in an attempt to restore what has been broken and gain consolation in the midst of pain and need. Yet, the goal remains unreached; the promise of real lasting fulfillment proves to be all too elusive.

THE WAY OUT

Jesus Christ is the alternative. He addresses the problem – man limited to self – and provides the way through which we can find fulfillment in God and His people. By releasing us from the dictates of the past, Jesus frees us to live as new creatures. The Holy Spirit carries on that process of change in our lives. But questions and struggles continue. His Way Out Ministries arose in response to these needs, with the aim of encouraging those with a gay background on to wholeness in Jesus. His grace is sufficient, for His strength is made perfect in weakness. He provides the mooring point for a new identity – the center out of which a true sense of wellbeing can be enjoyed. As we draw close to Him we are enabled to reflect His image in our humanity more and more fully.

The goal of our growth is the freedom to love aright – to relate intimately but non-erotically to the same sex, and to be able to address the opposite sex as a needed counterpart without fear or disinterest. As we at His Way Out Ministries believe such love is Christ’s intent for us, we affirm His capacity to carry it out in our lives, and in the lives of those who seek to be free from homosexuality.

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