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Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 25
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee continue their discussion and focus on questions like, How can I say I love people while allowing them to compromise in a life of sexual sin, unchallenged? How does the Church take stances on social and moral issues without driving people away? Today, any challenge offered regarding homosexual practice is often met with accusations of “intolerance”.

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For some time, I have been involved in a dialog with members of the gay community. Our conversation and our exchange largely began because I became concerned and alarmed that with all the media attention given to the bullying of members of the gay community, not much, to my knowledge, was or is being offered, mentioned, or discussed regarding the hate that is often perpetrated against men and women that have said, “No,” to homosexual practice.

Yes, I am using the word “hate”.

I am confident many today are not aware there continues to be men and women with unwanted same-sex attraction that have and are making the personal decision to leave homosexuality. As a result, formerly gay-identified men and women are often reviled simply because they dare to exist.

Should not “diversity” and “tolerance” be a two-way street by recognizing and including the once gay-identified man or woman? We are real, and we are here. Therefore, I must express my growing concern of the often widespread “intolerance” practiced against those who decide to face and break free of the snare of same-sex attraction.

Here’s the question: Why do some gays (hate) ex-gays so much?

Thirty-one years ago, I said goodbye to homosexuality and the gay identity. Like all faithful followers of Christ Jesus, I had to face the decision of accepting or rejecting Christ’s Lordship. Coming out of homosexuality required deep emotional healing and a restructuring of my whole identity, as our Creator, God, is the only One who knows exactly how to restore our personality.

I remember so vividly when coming to know Christ at the age of 35, what it meant for the first time in my life to be a man. But more importantly, what it meant to be a godly man. For me to deny or not share what Christ has done in my life would be the equivalent of denying Him.

Thankfully and gratefully, I am far from the only individual that has experienced change. God has not been silent to the cries of men and women wanting freedom from homosexual feelings and behavior. Many have experienced the power of Christ to address the deep needs of both men and women trapped in same-gender struggles.

One gay activist challenged me by stating, “Phillip, while I commend you regarding your concern about ‘intolerance,’ I just can’t get my head around (ex-gay). Why don’t you just be true to yourself?”

Be true to myself?

That is exactly what I am doing. What makes one individual happy and content may not make someone else happy, because we are all individuals. I, like any man or woman, deserve the right to self-determination and happiness. To give sexual orientation protection to one group while excluding another is outright discrimination. Without testimony from all sectors of society, including the ex-gay community, public policy on the topic of homosexuality is seriously flawed.

  • Ex-gay men and women are routinely denied equal access to participate in public school events and present on diversity day.
  • Ex-gay conferences, workshops and seminars are frequently picketed by pro-gay protesters
  • Transgendered individuals are affirmed for changing their gender, but former homosexuals are ridiculed for making the decision to address and change their sexual orientation.
  • Ex-gays are subject to an increasingly hostile environment where they are labeled as perpetrators of (hate) simply because they advocate for or live out a different belief and view of homosexuality.
  • Ex-gays are criticized and face lifelong intolerance for simply existing as living proof that homosexuality is not innate.

Frankly, the welfare of individuals, society, and the Church as a whole, depends on our facing the subject of homosexuality honestly, compassionately, and courageously. Yes, homosexuals have the right, as do others, to believe that homosexual behavior should be accepted as normal. However, they do not have the right to demand everyone else agree with them.

True love is loving in spite of our differences and treating each other with kindness and respect. This is what it means to live in a society in which freedom of speech, religion (and belief) are guaranteed.

I’m real. I’m here. I will not be silent.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Ministry updates, articles, pictures, and coming events! Stay up-to-date! Subscribe to HisWayOut.com in the top right corner and send a “Friend” request to HWOM.Phillip.Lee on Facebook.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 24
Dr. Clayton Ford, National Co-Director of Holy Spirit Renewal Ministries and author of Called to High Adventure: A Fresh Look at the Holy Spirit and the Spirit-Filled Life, and Pastor Phillip Lee have a frank and honest discussion regarding a number of important questions many are asking today. Is the true crisis the Church faces today about homosexuality or is it the Authority of Scripture? Does Scripture in any way validate homosexual practice? Why are so many churches electing to remain silent on the topic of homosexuality?

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The Real Crisis with Clayton Ford pt1 – Download MP3 –

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When it comes to the topic of homosexuality, youth always have the best questions. Questions that deserve a complete and truthful answer rather than what normally is presented through movies, television, and the Internet.

Questions from youth range from: What are the contributing factors to the brokenness of same-sex attraction? How do I approach someone I believe is struggling with their sexuality? Is it true HIV/AIDS continues to greatly impact the gay community? How do I share the Gospel with my gay-identified friend? As a Christian, should I attend a same-sex marriage ceremony? How do I address someone born one gender but identifies as the opposite gender? Is change possible for the gay and transgender person?

Today, confusion about sexual orientation is all too common during adolescence. As a result, it is risky to label teenagers “gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, or transgender” before they have the wisdom of adulthood and the opportunity to make a fully informed choice. Ultimately, when a teenager is prematurely “labeled,” there is a serious risk of “mislabeling” a portion of sexually confused youth.

Many factors can possibly lead a struggling or questioning youth into homosexual behavior or sexual identity confusion. Such as: curiosity, a feeling of not fitting in, the horrific tragedy of being molested, and the desire for attention, and a sense of belonging.

Today, I remain extremely concerned that youth, including Christian youth, are not getting all the facts with regard to the many facets of human sexuality in order to make a truly informed and godly decision about sexual identity.

When our path crosses with a struggling youth, we must be open to partnering with the Lord Jesus to help turn the tide in his or her life. During adolescence most people determine the morals and personal identity they will embrace for the remainder of their life. As a result, much confusion and challenges will take place before any semblance of clarity comes. This is all the more true for youth deciding their sexual identity.

The teenage years are a crucial period for the Church of Jesus Christ to speak to youth tempted by the various and numerous forms of sexual and relational brokenness.

I humbly submit that society, and sometimes the Church, is unwittingly promoting social experiments and various behaviors with no justification in reality and, with all probability enabling inevitable serious moral problems with potentially tragic consequences.

In trying to ascertain the rightness or wrongness of any behavior or misguided identity, it seems to me the determining factor should be consequence, not cause. Or, have we become completely ambivalent to what is morally right?

Today, the many and various subcultures into which youth are being thrust, have high rates of depression, substance abuse, alcoholism, anonymous sex, and unsafe sex practices. Few teens posses the judgment and self-control to make wise decisions in such environments.

While I have met and continue to meet with youth who are determined to resolve the issues of their sexuality, most feel too inadequate, lack motivation and do not have an individual structured in their life to help them through the process of healing and wholeness.

Reaching youth struggling with their sexual identity is something we all can do and must do to help searching youth understand God’s abundant plans for their lives and to counteract misguided agendas that seek to ruin all hope for the youth. You and I may be the only person that will have the courage to share the Good News with a youth impacted by sexual and relational brokenness.

Practically speaking…

Keep the consequence of sin in context. We have all fallen short of the glory of God.

Accepting and loving a teenager without conditions has noting to do with condoning their behavior/lifestyle.

Offer to serve as an accountability and prayer partner.

Clearly distinguish the difference between temptation and sin.

Don’t overreact – be prepared for the “born that way” argument.

You are not expected to have all the answers.

Never, ever water down the Word of God.

Be patient and trust God completely.

Emphasize the key to overcoming sexual brokenness and sexual identity confusion is in Christ Jesus.

On the Cross, Jesus secured salvation for any and all who commit their lives to Him. At Calvary, Jesus’ blood put into effect the new covenant. He said, “It is finished.”

With that proclamation anyone can now walk in the fullness of life that He intended and provides. All things are possible, as Jesus intercedes for us. Assuming our sin, shame and death, He declared, “It is finished,” which is a statement about an end. However, each end makes room for a wonderful and glorious new beginning.

While it is easy enough to become cynical about the times in which we live, remember when God is put in the equation of life, a hope that does not disappoint rises with us. It is true that the number of teens struggling with their sexuality has become alarming, but we should and must trust God and reach out to youth with the message of salvation and sexual redemption available through the Lord Jesus Christ.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Ministry updates, articles, pictures, and coming events! Stay up-to-date! Subscribe to HisWayOut.com in the top right corner and send a “Friend” request to HWOM.Phillip.Lee on Facebook.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 23
Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries, shares in detail and at length about inner healing and the rewards of developing an intimate relationship with God the Father. Mike’s books, Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here comprise a solid mini-library for your personal healing journey.

Listen online or download the podcast.

Inner Healing with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

Click on THIS LINK to listen or download His Way Out Podcasts or select the “Audio Podcast” category below.

You and I may possibly believe in truth, God’s absolute truth, but how can His truth be honored if we do not speak or act upon it?

As a Christian, I must be obedient and involved in the full purposes of God which will often cause many to be offended. However, being obedient to Jesus never brings dishonor to Him. The only thing that dishonors Him is not obeying Him.

I believe an appropriate question for the Church today regarding homosexuality and related issues is, “Am I being loyal to the notions of Jesus, or loyal to Him?” Are we, His Church, remaining loyal to what He has clearly stated in His Word regarding homosexuality or are we trying to find compromises with conceptions which never came from Him?

There is no question homosexuality has become perhaps the most controversial social issue of our time. While that is certainly important, true, and relevant, there is a far greater issue, crisis, and concern at hand.

Frankly, homosexuality should never have been nor should it now be the primary concern of the Church. What has been unfolding for decades and what continues today, mostly unchallenged, is a rejection of God and a suppressing of His truth, His absolute truth, in favor of being wise in our own eyes.

As a result, herein lies the dilemma for many today, “Will I reject God’s absolute truth, the authority of His Word, or will I by the power of the Holy Spirit surrender and conform my life to the Word of God?”

In a time when far too many lives and our culture is being shaped by political correctness and moral cowardice, the time is long overdue for faithful followers of Christ Jesus to stand unwaveringly on God’s absolute truth.

Is it not abundantly clear that we, God’s people, are standing front and center of one of the greatest crossroads the Church has ever faced?

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, “A man dies when he refuses to stand up for what is right; a man dies when he refuses to stand up for justice; a man dies when he refuses to take a stand for that which is true.”

We are treading on terribly treacherous turf.

Ultimately, I am satisfied God’s truth, His absolute truth, will always “be” whether you and I or anyone else believes it or likes it. 1 Corinthians 13:6 says, “Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rather rejoices with truth.”

Personally, I cannot come to any other conclusion other than “love, pure, true, undefiled love supports absolute truth.”

Christ-follower, we must challenge our culture with God’s absolute truth because feelings, personal opinion, theories, notions, and ideas have consequences.

Today, many are finding God’s absolute truth much too threatening. Understandably so, because when you love sin, it is impossible to love God’s absolute truth.

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Ministry updates, articles, pictures, and coming events! Stay up-to-date! Subscribe to HisWayOut.com in the top right corner and send a “Friend” request to HWOM.Phillip.Lee on Facebook.

For far too many, sexual feelings and desires have been viewed as an unfortunate part of their being that keeps them defeated in their Christian walk. Given we are all born into a fallen world and we all struggle with a sinful nature, our sexual longings and desires have become distorted. However, they remain a wonderful part of who we are as human beings.

So, how do we as Christian men and women control our sexual behavior? Especially, since we all bare the marks of the fallen age in which we live to some degree or another. Is it really possible to bring every thought captive (2 Corinthians 10:5)? Is it really possible to stop impure thoughts? How do we find purity in our sexual desires when we have indulged in pornography, sex before marriage, homosexuality, or adultery?

All Christians have to deal with inappropriate sexual feelings and attractions. Those combating same-gender attraction (homosexuality) are not unique and as a result do not belong in a different subclass than the rest of Christians struggling with the long list of heterosexual sexual addictions. Sexual struggles are a very real part of being human! Thankfully, “We do not have a high priest (Jesus) who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have One who has been tempted in every way just as we are – yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15)

Each and every time we are tempted, the process always begins with some type of outside stimulation, which we ultimately choose to embrace or reject. If we embrace “the thought,” and begin to build upon it, to fantasize, the end result is indulgence. While I am convinced that none of us will ever be able to completely avoid being stimulated, we need not progress to the point of practice. Maybe, just maybe, if we all would embrace the truth that being stimulated is completely and totally unavoidable, our lives would not remain in a constant state of frustration, and the huge amounts of condemnation and disgust that we place upon ourselves would be extremely minimized or even possibly eradicated enabling each of us to climb out from underneath the “shame factor.”

James 1:14-15 tells us, “But each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin.” Clearly, a homosexual thought (desire) or an inappropriate heterosexual, lustful contemplation that occurs in our mind can either be embraced or killed. We choose whether or not any inappropriate thought regarding sexual lust or temptation will be allowed to progress passed lust to sin.

I remain convinced that being successful in overcoming homosexuality or any heterosexual sexual addiction, largely depends on what happens in our mind. Our thought life is the battlefield where victory is either won or lost. Clearly, to break with any mindset or actions of inappropriate sexual expression, requires changing our thinking. Unless our thought patterns change, we will be continually defeated and discouraged in the process of recovery or becoming whole in our sexuality.

A huge component in dealing with sexual brokenness, homosexual and heterosexual, is coming to terms with our past. Philippians 3:13-14 tells us, “Forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.” The lies of our past must be replaced with the truth of God’s Word. It is through God’s Word we discover the reality of God’s love for us as individuals and His desire to forgive us for all sin – including all forms of sexual and relational brokenness. When acted upon, the Bible’s perspective on human sexuality will profoundly change the way we see our past and certainly help us navigate the future.

Ultimately, we must embrace that it is God’s Word and not our feelings that determines truth. Yes, God loves each and every one of us that struggles with aspects of human sexuality. “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we still were sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) When we repent – meaning we have rejected the behavior – Jesus cleanses us from all homosexual sin, lustful heterosexual thoughts and sexual encounters.

Zig Ziglar once said, “We are where we are and what we are because of what has gone into our minds. We change where we are and what we are by changing what goes into our minds.”

Unfortunately, one of the chief obstacles to healing, wholeness and restoration from sexual sin is the obsession with the immediate. The “itch” for the instantaneous pervades much of Christian thinking. Many tend to think that unless a restoration or deliverance is immediate, it is not of God. Most definitely, we have become impatient and frustrated with things that take time. Isn’t it amazing how people will go to huge amounts of trouble to learn French, or physics or scuba diving? They have the patience to learn how to operate a car but they won’t be bothered learning how to operate themselves. It has been said, “He that would get weeds destroyed must plan the ground with contrary seeds.” Indeed, we cannot walk in God’s ways unless He teaches us, but it is deception to ask Him to teach us unless we resolve to obey Him as He instructs us.

Many, many times I have communicated that every follower of Christ Jesus is in process of becoming more like our Redeemer. Recently, it occurred to me that maybe, just maybe God is more interested in the process than the end result. If I can remain determined, calm, and trusting God the Father in the very midst of so many questions and unresolved matters, couldn’t the process be just as honoring and glorifying to God as the end result?

Pastor Phillip Lee
Executive Director
His Way Out Ministries

Ministry updates, articles, pictures, and coming events! Stay up-to-date! Subscribe to HisWayOut.com in the top right corner and send a “Friend” request to HWOM.Phillip.Lee on Facebook.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 22
Returning guest, Mike Evans, Founder and Director of Wholeness Ministries and author of Learning To Do What Jesus Did, Why Not Waste Time With God, and Before You Get Here, discusses the meaning of true repentance as well as what is involved, what is required by the person to experience and move into true deliverance from any habit, addiction, or compulsive behavior.

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Deliverance with Mike Evans – Download MP3 –

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Believing in Him and You!
Does failure compel you away from God, or compel you to cast yourself on His grace and His mercy? To be sure, we are all on a journey of obedience and along the way we experience God’s mighty healing hand. Sometimes our path is marked by mountain-top ecstasy of being in His presence, but sometimes it is marked by our surrender and our will to obey Him when all spiritual passion has disappeared.

There is no doubt, no question, our humanity will always bear, to some degree or another, the marks of this fallen age in which we live.

But what exactly does that mean? Could it possibly mean that…
…the habitual liar may still slip at times?
…the temptation of same-sex attraction may surface from time to time?
…the former addict or alcoholic many need on-going accountability in his or her area of temptation and weakness?
…the emotionally, physically, sexually, or mentally abused may still feel threatened in certain environments or situations?

None of the above mentioned, and I could certainly continue on and on, minimizes God’s power or His sovereignty. It simply places each one of us in a process, a journey of becoming whole in Christ Jesus.

That said, it is imperative as a Christian that we maintain the right goal which is always Christ and in turn Christ-likeness. Without question, the goal of sanctification is to be conformed and transformed into the image of Christ and not to be some close-ended definition of wholeness.

Please, please find comfort in knowing that becoming whole in Jesus is a process. And because it is a process – it doesn’t happen over night.

Growing whole takes time. A lifetime in fact. Relax and enjoy the journey.

Believing in Him and You,
Pastor Phillip Lee


Saturday August 5, 2017
For ‘Wives’ Only

It is our nature to isolate when we are struggling with the various trials in life. But we do not have to walk through them alone. Open the door to healing by sharing your experiences, strengths, and hope and by becoming willing to accept God’s grace in solving life’s problems.

For ‘Wives’ Only, facilitated by Ginny Mitchell, is women supporting, praying, loving and caring for one another by being real and not hiding their feelings. For ‘Wives’ Only offers a safe environment to talk about real issues ladies have and are sometimes too ashamed or afraid to talk about. Come and receive biblical guidance, prayer, and encouragement for your healing journey.

“You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.” (Philippians 4:13)

For ‘Wives’ Only meets on the first Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Saturday August 26, 2017
Friends and Family

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Craig & Karen Fulwyler

Friends and Family offers a relaxed, informal meeting that is available to anyone seeking to understand the complexities of homosexuality and become more effective in reaching those combating same-gender attraction.

Facilitated by Craig and Karen Fulwyler, Friends and Family assists parents, friends, co-workers, a fellow brother and sister in Christ, a neighbor, face the complexity of emotions, actions and questions that will undoubtedly surface when learning of an individual’s homosexuality. Please see the article Friends and Family Care Group for additional information.

Friends and Family meets on the fourth Saturday of each month from 9:00am to 11:00am at His Way Out Ministries Office.


Web Site and Facebook
Daily, His Way Out Ministries posts ministry updates, articles, events, pictures and a host of other information either to our web site or to Facebook. If you would like to receive automatic postings to our web site via Email, simply enter your Email address in the “Subscribe” box on the upper right. It couldn’t be more convenient! To receive Facebook postings, please send a “Friend Request” to HWOM.Phillip.Lee


Saturday at 7:00AM
KERI Radio 1410 AM, Bakersfield, CA

The His Way Out Ministries Radio Broadcast airs each Saturday morning at 7:00AM Pacific Time on KERI Channel 1410AM in Bakersfield, California immediately following Focus on the Family. Outside of Bakersfield you can listen online to the KERI Live Stream.

Recent guests include: (Left) Pastor Brandon Holthaus, Rock Harbor Church, (Center) Pastor Pete Baker, Fairfax Assembly of God, (Right) Pastor Roger Spradlin, Valley Baptist Church

Podcasts are available on our website where you can listen or download for future listening and reference. Simply select the Audio Podcasts Category link for a listing.

Each Saturday morning beginning at 7:00am, His Way Out Ministries offers a 30-minute broadcast dedicated to equipping, educating and encouraging the Body of Christ to reach out and minister to individuals, families, and churches impacted by the brokenness of same-sex attraction.

Season 2, Episode 21
There is no doubt many Christians have been strongly influenced by the continuous parade of positive media representations of homosexuality. It does “seem” that people today increasingly approve of homosexuality as a valid life option for friends and family members. But is that truly the case?

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Homosexuality? Who Cares? – Download MP3 –

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